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and now

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last week was such a fascinating episode

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we had with ray stanford where he

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recalls his encounters with the ufo

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contactees from the 1950s it's one of

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our best episodes yet neighbors so if

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you haven't had a chance to listen to it

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i suggest you do so in fact ray was so

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into it

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that we continued in the after the power

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cast podcast which is part of the power

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i'll tell you

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with ray we can be flies on the wall

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right chris

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he's one of the few people that you can

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really truly say was there and helped

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design the t-shirt factory he was there

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he met him all he knew them all and he's

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50 60 years later it was so fascinating

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episodes involved here i know he

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interesting about daniel fry and the

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reason we brought it up is because one

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of our regular posters thomas r morrison

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who has a great knowledge of physics

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and does a podcast with a physicist

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as a matter of fact i'm told he was

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suggesting that daniel fry had real

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scientific knowledge about

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what has become

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in a lot of areas and reika dismissed it

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off hand and then

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thomas has been posting lengthy

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in our forums

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so take a look at it at

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lengthymessages where he explains where

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dan frye had it right on

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and said come on the show and tell us

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about this and he will in the very near

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future he has kind of a weird work

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schedule he tells me but we'll make it

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happen so thomas r morrison will be

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coming on the show next week we'll have

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stan gordon

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and the following week we'll talk with

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the gentleman who was by the way an

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investigator with mufon and has

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something called the world ufo watch

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bob sparing so he's going to come on two

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weeks we'll hear from alan greenfield

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a lot of other fascinating things but

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today we've got a really interesting

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gentleman who's going to tell us why

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everything we know is wrong is that

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right paulino well as far as i know yes

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based on a lot of experiences that that

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i had early on in the early 70s and that

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my son ben who was obviously

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considerably younger than i am uh has uh

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also agreed with it and that's the idea

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that our paradigm our way of

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understanding things is really very

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narrow and you think that logically any

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intelligent person would realize that

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which is just about everything and you

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really can't see the whole universe from

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field that i started in when i was

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studying for the priesthood of all

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of the dead uh there is some sort of

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material world of course that we can see

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can experience uh other than through

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is sort of the 19th century spiritualist

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though those ideas weren't good enough i

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was seeing things that

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that just were not explained by that

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narrow paradigm and later on when i was

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running into people seeing ghosts of

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themselves or people seeing uh buildings

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that were there one day and gone the

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next to things of this kind they were

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you're dealing with far more than

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the typical ghost under understanding of

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spirits and all this business so that

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was sort of a beginning of this idea

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that everything you know was wrong and

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we include ourselves in that genome and

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it's not like

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somebody asked me if um do you know

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everything and i said well i really

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don't know so i mean it's just you know

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it could be circular reasoning and uh

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it's the first day of school really for

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all of us uh in the ufo realm uh

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everyone assumed and in many ways still

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that uh you're dealing with nuts and

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bolts craft from other planets piloted

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and it some of these it may very well be

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true but there are issues with how to

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get here as we all know uh however uh in

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the 1970s when i was totally confused at

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the end of the 70s when i and i had

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encountered a case in maine of a young

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girl who was a student at the university

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of connecticut and at the same time was

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haunting a house

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what occurred she encountered the people

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who lived in the house and they were

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screaming and all this and they finally

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wormed the whole story out of everybody

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again something that really just nudged

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me over the edge into a conclusion that

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we really

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are all wrong or at least not good

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in our narrow paradigm and i began to

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look at what other possibilities could

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be occurring here why do people see

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ghosts in clothing

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why did i stand with six other people in

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as witnesses in a lost village so-called

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the abandoned village all over grown

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with woods

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in connecticut in 1971 and everything

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but see an ox cart go by with a team

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driver yelling a whip uh cracking and

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hoof beats and but we couldn't see it

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about 20 to 25 feet away so these are

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all questions that led to a sort of love

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affair with quantum mechanics now my

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degree is in philosophy and academic

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background in theology so this is the

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farthest thing uh you can get from

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quantum mechanics or is it this is very

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interesting when you're talking paul

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with what we're hearing

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from a lot of people we've talked to on

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the power cast recently

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and quantum mechanics has been dropped

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at least three or four recent cases that

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it has something to do with what's going

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sure well there are two physicists

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well-known who are famous enough

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not to have to worry about tenure and

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grants

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so that they can agree with us dr fred

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allen wolf and dr ahmed goswami they

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very very close to what we say and uh

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when they've been on our show they've uh

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maybe you know just sort of come pretty

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close to our own interpretation but

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again we say well we didn't learn this

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in the classroom between ben and myself

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we've been sitting

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in the paranormal trenches for a

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combined period of almost 60 years this

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explains things far better instead of

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spirits of the dead we may have

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overwashes intersects and overlaps of

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uh where the guy never died okay still

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alive this goes to the root of

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everything that we are

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the way we understand even things in our

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daily lives

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we frequently are asked okay well you

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know i lost a loved one how do i deal

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with this especially when they know

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you've been in the seminary they think

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you have some kind of pastoral ability

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which may or may not be true well you go

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on the computer use your password and it

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opens the door

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yeah yeah and then if there's a case

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people having trouble in their house

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they want you to go in and fix it

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so these are all things that that are

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deepened uh by a sort of new

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mechanics everything that possibly could

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exist does exist somewhere or some when

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very sympathetic paul go ahead paul

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we're going to break in about 50 seconds

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go ahead please okay and essentially i

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said well how do you deal with the loss

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grandmother i said well it's not that

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she's still with us but that we're still

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with her in many many worlds where she

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never died because it's really

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many versions of ourselves it's all us

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and it's one great big unity so uh i

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have a better relationship with her now

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before she translated so that's our

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theme in fiction even the comic book

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depict different versions of earth with

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i'll drop it you paul you know in our

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now chris someone was suggesting in our

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forums before i nuked the thread that

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you're sounding too

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deep and guttural and i was suggesting

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maybe we should give you helium

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well you know it just comes out the way

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it comes out i you know i always thought

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that it was a a um you know it's a fluid

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sort of malleable thing it depends on my

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instantaneous mood

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i can say it like this

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now he's just being possessed

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that's scary yeah oh yeah that's scary

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paul so the suggestion here is that your

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mother still is alive in another

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version of earth perhaps many others

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many versions and so if you try to get

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in touch with her she might answer i had

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a wacky theory too and of course there's

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no way to prove this or the proof would

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be something that

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would be rather drastic that is when you

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die

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you don't physically stop existing in

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your own mind you are just

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living in a different universe where

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you're still alive it doesn't mean you

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stop getting old or anything but maybe

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there's a version of gene steinberg or

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chris o'brien that died at 23 or 37 but

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we go on in the next universe and it

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doesn't matter to us well i think that's

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quite plausible gene actually uh as a

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matter of fact that's pretty much how we

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put it ourselves we use the metaphor of

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the tree

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and one falls off that's not you you're

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the whole tree

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okay and really when you get down to

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we're kind of the whole tree

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but getting past the narrowness is

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really the tough part now when i was in

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the seminary and and during graduate

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work in psychology i was working in in

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psychiatric hospitals more specifically

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state hospitals they weren't all psych

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patients but many of them were

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and this was all hush of course was to

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work with the diocesan exorcist the

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priest

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uh because when you'd be in a room with

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a patient you know the doctors would be

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there diagnosed with some sort of

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psychosis but stuff's flying off shelves

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on the other side of the room are the

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guys floating out of the bed obviously

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this is more than psychosis all right

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so that's the reason we were there and

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there were a number of exorcisms but i

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just began to wonder you know is this

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really demons and is it really the sort

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of the the classic theological

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answer to this problem that that we

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thought it was and there or in that

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house in 1974 with then lorraine warren

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in bridgeport connecticut uh the

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refrigerator's floating off the floor

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i'm standing there with three police

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officers and three firefighters and we

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all saw this and it's in their reports

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is this this spirit or the demon you

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know picking the thing up you know i

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thought there have got to be better

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explanations now if i may i can give you

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a perfect example of the narrowness of

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our paradigm and why maybe everything we

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think we know was wrong uh this was in

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ogdensburg state hospital upstate new

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york uh 1970 i believe it was 70 early

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75. there was a hallway in the hou one

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of the wards and the staff didn't like

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to work there at night and it was

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considered that there was something

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fluky in this hallway that haunted isn't

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the word they used but it was applied it

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was a functioning war there were

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patients uh and one of the patients when

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i got there claimed she was a psychic

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medium

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and she said and she i'm sure she was

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and she said that what was happening was

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there was a man who presumably had died

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who was waiting there for his wife was

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also patient and he was going to take

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her home the implication being that he

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was dead she was going to die and he was

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going to take her home

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now aside from my idea that if you're

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dead you're dead you're not going to be

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doing anything right which is why i

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don't believe death really exists so i

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said okay i'm gonna find out about this

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it took me a long time to talk about

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this because it sounds like i'm doing

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the psychic medium thing and that's

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not a good idea necessarily and so i'd

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be that as it may the chapel was in that

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particular hallway so i disappeared in

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there for the better part of

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my stint at the hospital for the next

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three days and the staff figured well

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he's a seminary student he must be

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praying or something what i was actually

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doing and putting myself in a meditative

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state you know you open the mind uh at

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the same time you're very careful uh i

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dealt with enough well we call them

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parasites up to this point the folklore

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calls them demons to kind of know when

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they may be around and you want to stay

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away to make a long story short you do

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occasionally connect with someone or

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something

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uh that is either neutral or not bad at

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least or maybe uh even human from what i

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was already beginning to believe were

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parallel realities

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there was a man waiting to take his wife

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home but he was in the railroad station

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across the st lawrence river in prescott

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ontario canada

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and he was waiting for the train to come

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into from montreal and he was going to

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take his wife home to their house

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this is what i got from him in the

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parallel world in which he existed in

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physicists who believe this will say the

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laws of physics very often are very

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different from world to world even if

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they might look alike and in this

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particular world the laws of physics

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were such that people could talk to

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there and he used the word neighbors and

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it took me a minute to to think what he

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was saying but he was talking about me

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people from other close parallel

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realities they considered them neighbors

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and it was not unusual to talk to them

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you know had i been doing that in the

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halls of the seminary i probably would

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have ended up in that ward today your

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pockets full of anti-psychotic drugs you

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know but this was normal in their

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particular world

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this psychic medium was picking this up

534
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didn't know any other way to interpret

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it other than this was a dead guy

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waiting for his wife to die because that

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was the only

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part of the narrow paradigm that could

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explain what she was feeling and she

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might very well have picked up this guy

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but but did not have a paradigm in which

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he could be a living guy and all this

543
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stuff it had to be this narrow

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spiritualist thing so that's an example

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of how we may be just misinterpreting

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these things all these years

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and uh i could have been wrong but it

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seemed very clear to me so again i'm

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just suggesting new ways to approach

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this

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now just to follow that

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i suppose that some people who were put

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into mental institutions

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they're seeing this reality and another

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reality

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and sometimes it's difficult to decide

557
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which is which

558
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:53,840
you're maybe living in two different

559
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worlds at the same time and that might

560
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exist to a lesser degree where people

561
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:01,120
totally remember things

562
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:03,200
differently they went through the same

563
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,600
experience but was totally different and

564
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there's no way to reconcile it

565
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,000
and again we'd say well that's because

566
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human memory is not perfect

567
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:15,120
maybe it's the fact that reality is not

568
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a solid thing

569
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even when we think it is in this

570
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universe

571
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:24,559
we almost always see a little spillover

572
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:27,280
well with a nod gene to the fact that we

573
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we have to be careful we have to keep

574
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our feet on the ground we have to live

575
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in the world we're given

576
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but at the same time i think uh you

577
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really put it very well

578
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uh i think that we we've got uh that's

579
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often today called the mandela effect

580
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okay now sure especially as as we age i

581
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mean there's a possibility for

582
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confabulation and false memories and

583
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this sort of thing but are they false

584
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memories uh

585
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why is it that that mozart was able to

586
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write brilliant piano concerti starting

587
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at the age of four

588
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uh probably because he was aware of

589
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where he already is don't even use the

590
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past tense where he already is a

591
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brilliant composer somewhere and some

592
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when else

593
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and that's how that occurred

594
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in the same way i think that we have

595
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memories of things that uh

596
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are happening to us in in parallel lives

597
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and i think one of the terms we use is

598
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deja vu perhaps you know and uh other

599
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times sure that there can be chemical

600
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imbalances in the physical brain that

601
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mess you up uh that way memories and

602
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this sort of thing um i'll give you an

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example

604
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information here from paul eno

605
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about a reality that might be many

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realities

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and what happens if you get a taste of

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more than one

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with gene and chris what will chris do

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this time with the stinger you're in the

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to the paracast

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paulino joining us

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and he of course is telling us why

717
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everything we know is wrong and he does

718
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a radio show called behind the

719
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paranormal at w-o-o-n in rhode island

720
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,240
paul all right gene well i was going to

721
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,720
give an example or two of uh

722
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memories that that may or may not be

723
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:57,679
true uh or that may reflect

724
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:00,159
parallel lives that are going on going

725
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back to watkinsburg state hospital which

726
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:04,480
is mercifully closed at this point

727
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:07,919
there was one particular day in 1975

728
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,600
that was really really bizarre because

729
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:13,120
everywhere i turned some strange things

730
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,960
were going on and this is going to sound

731
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,399
like a joke but i assure you this

732
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,399
happened one of the doctors said to me

733
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paul you have to meet this guy did you

734
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ever hear the jokes about a guy who

735
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,840
thinks he's napoleon

736
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,000
this particular patient really does

737
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,559
think he's napoleon so i said okay i'll

738
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go meet the fella a very old man who's

739
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in his 80s and he was uh more or less

740
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bedridden and he was and he was uh

741
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in a room with several other uh elderly

742
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men uh none of whom said a word and i

743
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:42,399
asked this man i said okay well uh i

744
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,760
understand that you

745
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:45,760
have memories of napoleon being napoleon

746
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and and he

747
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:50,080
engaged in a 45-minute one of the most

748
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:52,320
brilliant monologues i've ever heard

749
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,320
lectures as it were the history of

750
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:56,559
napoleon borudino

751
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,240
waterloo the whole thing it was though

752
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:00,640
he was there it was really quite

753
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,120
striking and the knowing look in his

754
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:05,279
eyes was really amazing at the end of

755
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:08,000
the conversation i said well how did you

756
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:10,240
find out you were napoleon

757
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:11,360
he said

758
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:14,080
god told me and the man in the next bed

759
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,679
who i didn't even see his face he was

760
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:17,760
lying there like a lump rolled over and

761
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,000
said i did not

762
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:22,240
so i i said and i didn't talk to the guy

763
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:23,760
about why he thought he was god or

764
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:26,320
whatever but i i just left it i was kind

765
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:28,159
of having a laugh inside but this man

766
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:30,320
who thought he was napoleon it was like

767
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:32,000
if he wasn't napoleon then i don't know

768
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:33,440
who he was because it was really quite

769
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,679
amazing now i've addressed groups of

770
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:37,440
psychiatrists on

771
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,559
this subject uh the possibilities of

772
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:42,480
going beyond our normal understanding of

773
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,799
schizophrenia uh you know when people

774
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,320
hearing voices and

775
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:48,000
all this sort of thing you know when

776
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:49,360
they're listening publicly the steam

777
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:50,799
comes out of the ears their eyes turn

778
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:53,520
red however a number of them

779
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:56,080
inevitably come up at the end uh in

780
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:57,760
private and they will say you know i've

781
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:00,320
often suspected the same thing uh that

782
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,559
these people are experiencing real

783
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:05,039
worlds that we just don't see or don't

784
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:07,039
know about but if i said that i'd lose

785
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:10,000
my job so in science and in medicine

786
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:11,760
there's plenty of politics and you have

787
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:14,000
to be very careful and the disciplined

788
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,159
thinking required by science is very

789
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,320
important peer review and this sort of

790
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:20,399
thing but there are elements

791
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,720
of politics and things of this kind uh

792
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:24,720
that don't let you go beyond a certain

793
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,200
point in most cases unless as i say

794
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:29,039
you're so famous that doesn't make any

795
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:30,960
difference as with the two physicists

796
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:32,720
who more or less agree with us so again

797
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:34,159
i think we're looking at an entirely new

798
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,440
paradigm i think everything we knew

799
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:37,840
previously is wrong or at least not good

800
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,640
enough that that can apply to history

801
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,720
theology our knowledge of ourselves our

802
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,399
knowledge of the universe

803
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:46,399
and it's really um as i say the first

804
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:47,679
day of school and we don't really know

805
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:50,000
anything for sure stan friedman and

806
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:51,440
kathy martin wrote an excellent book

807
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:52,799
called science was wrong and they

808
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,039
pointed out things that were accepted by

809
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,279
everybody uh particularly scientists and

810
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:59,279
later turned out to be wrong so that we

811
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:01,120
have to have enough humility to realize

812
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,039
that everything we we know may be may

813
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,279
maybe wrong or as i say at least not

814
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,070
well there you go there

815
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,240
but i do think there were a few points

816
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:14,399
where they said that science was wrong

817
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:16,159
like on global warming where science

818
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,679
appears to be right but then we're not

819
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:18,960
going to get into that kind of argument

820
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,440
because we get into the political realms

821
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,960
yeah no i'm talking to talk about stuff

822
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:25,039
that was yeah no nothing always

823
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,720
bothering me about things that was

824
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:28,159
bothering me about

825
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,279
ufo and paranormal research is so many

826
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:33,760
people just stick with the old paradigms

827
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:34,640
so

828
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:38,320
you know flying saucers are spaceships

829
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,480
abductions involved

830
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:43,039
contacts with ufo entities

831
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,720
ghosts or spirits of the dead they don't

832
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,120
speculate most of the discussion is not

833
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,679
on what would be or what it could be it

834
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:51,360
is on what happened

835
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:54,399
well this story this case occurred here

836
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:57,120
and this house is haunted and this

837
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:59,519
sighting occurred there and what did

838
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,519
cause the roswell crash

839
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,080
sometimes you get really tired of it i

840
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,159
know years ago an old friend of mine who

841
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:08,799
published a ufo magazine said i'm tired

842
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,799
of these sightings this was like 1966.

843
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:15,120
this guy named jim mosley of course oh

844
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,120
yeah yeah okay good old i never knew him

845
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:18,960
but yeah i worked for him he was one of

846
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,360
my first jobs that i had it was working

847
00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:23,279
full-time for jim mosley

848
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:26,840
this is 1965 at five dollars an

849
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,080
hour that was a lot of money in 1965 to

850
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:31,840
show you how much money

851
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:35,679
right now would be like 38 or 39 an hour

852
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,600
sure in today's money

853
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:39,760
so you know i missed the thing there if

854
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:42,559
i just kept a job with that salary

855
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:45,360
unchanged and just got cost of living

856
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,519
increases all these years but it's the

857
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:49,440
thing that bothers me about all these

858
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,320
ufo organizations they collect sightings

859
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,399
but we don't get into what you and i and

860
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:56,399
chris are doing and what you've been

861
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:58,640
doing so well in this episode which is

862
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:01,279
let's find out what's really going on

863
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:02,880
let's look for answers

864
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:04,960
yeah i think it's it's entirely it's

865
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:07,120
important to realize they know that some

866
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:08,799
ufos

867
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,919
may be craft from other

868
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:13,600
planets okay

869
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:16,399
uh whatever that may mean but i think

870
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:18,480
maybe the the distinction uh is that

871
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:19,679
instead of just traveling here in the

872
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:21,919
normal way they may use

873
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:25,279
the multiverse to travel um when you

874
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:28,320
think of time travel and it's funny i've

875
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,279
i know a scientist who was working on

876
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,519
time travel concepts and he said you

877
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:35,919
know you have a point i was talking to

878
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:37,919
ben and myself and he said you don't

879
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,240
travel back and forth and try in time

880
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,640
you travel sideways

881
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:45,120
now isn't that interesting way to put it

882
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:46,159
because

883
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,080
if the whole thing is simultaneous and

884
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:50,000
there you go in the same way you could

885
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:53,120
be on one planet and if you had the uh

886
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:55,120
the knowledge and you don't necessarily

887
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,799
even need machinery shamans will tell

888
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:59,039
you they do this all the time

889
00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:00,399
you could move

890
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:01,760
from one

891
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:04,000
place to another without really even

892
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,960
moving

893
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,960
if you just knew which boundary to cross

894
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:08,639
where it was and how to control it and

895
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,839
this sort of thing

896
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:11,760
and this could be why

897
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,240
ben and i who have been specializing for

898
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:17,040
the last 12 years in researching what we

899
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:18,879
call flap areas

900
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,359
areas of seemingly unrelated paranormal

901
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:23,839
phenomena that are relatively constant

902
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:26,399
but that we believe are related because

903
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:27,679
of the intersect points and the

904
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:30,240
overwatches of these various worlds

905
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,599
and i think that

906
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:33,679
they may they being the government or

907
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:35,119
someone like the government is very

908
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,639
interested in this because wouldn't we

909
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,480
love to weaponize

910
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,639
the paranormal make it to appear to an

911
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:42,240
enemy that we can manipulate time and

912
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:43,200
space

913
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:44,879
uh by moving around through these

914
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:47,839
boundaries and uh every single time

915
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,159
we're working on five different places

916
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right now including uh rentals from

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00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:54,079
forest in england uh where nobody

918
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:55,839
thought to talk to the local people

919
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,480
about what's what's still going on there

920
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,200
that you've got uh the military in one

921
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,359
capacity or another showing up

922
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,839
bridgewater triangle in massachusetts uh

923
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,440
pennsylvania triangle that we've just

924
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started last year in in western

925
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pennsylvania

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the uh now are just starting with the

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leominster state forest area in

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massachusetts the area of um around

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woodville texas centered at an airport i

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mean i could go on and on but there's

931
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:24,800
always a military component in there

932
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,480
somewhere and strange things start to

933
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happen so i think that

934
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,839
we're not the only ones who are saying

935
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this and as you say gene the more and

936
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more guests are are looking at this way

937
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but it doesn't mean that it's not nuts

938
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and bolts craft in every single case but

939
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,440
i think they may be using the multiverse

940
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in one way or another perhaps even to

941
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travel but if you talk to people like

942
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ted phillips from missouri a very very

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long-standing ufo researcher who has

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tremendous database of physical evidence

945
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of landings

946
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he'll tell you that in the past 15 to 20

947
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:58,400
years the nature

948
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of ufos at least as as he sees it then

949
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,280
it's reported to him it seems to be

950
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changing from the nuts and bolts kind of

951
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crap to more

952
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ethereal

953
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light balls he calls them we might call

954
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them orbs in all this business and this

955
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is where you get into a lot of the

956
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crossover phenomena that ben and i are

957
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interested in people see these uh orbs

958
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:21,680
in photographs particularly digital

959
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:24,800
photographs aha spirits however if you

960
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:26,240
see them outside and there's a funny

961
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being standing underneath aha a ufo uh

962
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maybe our entire paradigm is narrowed

963
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further by the fact that we

964
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label things according not only to our

965
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own paradigm but according to the way in

966
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which we experience it the context in

967
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which the phenomenon is experienced may

968
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,599
have a lot to do with how we we label it

969
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:47,760
that in itself can be misleading with

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gene chris and paul you know you're in

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i am readying the helium for chris by

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the way

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the only thing is the only people who do

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that of course regularly are people like

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howard stern and i think that stopped

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being funny like 40 years ago so we will

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not do the helium although i think

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certain people who speculate in this

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field would be better off with helium

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but let's do some real stuff here paul

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okay well we just had a book come up and

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that's first one we've written together

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and uh we go into this

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uh epistemology how we think we know

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what we know in one of the early

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chapters uh science and the paranormal

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one point that should be made

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00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,359
along the lines of everything you know

1099
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:11,599
is wrong is that you know how do we know

1100
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:13,839
really anything and the basis of western

1101
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,119
thought really uh was uh renee descartes

1102
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:19,119
or who built his whole system of

1103
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,200
epistemology and mathematics on the idea

1104
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:23,280
that as you're paul's donuts are sweet i

1105
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,160
think

1106
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:26,880
therefore i am or i must exist but it's

1107
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:27,920
interesting a lot of people don't

1108
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,079
realize at least is reportedly on his

1109
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:31,839
deathbed he said even that's not good

1110
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,480
enough and of course nobody covers that

1111
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,119
but the idea has a lot of flaws in it

1112
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,119
logically uh how do we know our thoughts

1113
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:41,040
are coming from ourselves is it the

1114
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:42,640
island theory something ben and i

1115
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,319
disagree with that everything we are is

1116
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,319
contained within our bodies those are

1117
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,400
all things you have to believe to accept

1118
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,880
the idea that i think therefore i am and

1119
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,040
people say well math doesn't lie well i

1120
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,200
mean what do you mean math doesn't lie

1121
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:57,119
well well two plus two was always four

1122
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:58,800
well no it isn't in the base 2

1123
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,760
mathematical system 2 plus 2 equals 2.

1124
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:03,839
so everything really depends on our

1125
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,240
point of view how you approach it and

1126
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:09,119
how broad-minded you are about it and i

1127
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:10,640
think the paranormal is a perfect

1128
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:13,920
example of how narrow we are and why

1129
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:15,440
we need to go you know first day of

1130
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:17,920
school and the best we can together yeah

1131
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,680
i think that's a pretty good piece of

1132
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:21,680
advice i wanted to add something about

1133
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:23,920
renee descartes you just happened to

1134
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,079
mention who of course is is one of the

1135
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,319
founders of the western kind of the

1136
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:30,960
philosophic in in actually scientific

1137
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:33,680
traditions sure he was a young

1138
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,119
infantryman hired by the spanish crown

1139
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:39,599
and was part of the army that was sent

1140
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:40,560
to

1141
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,680
subjugate the king of bohemia

1142
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:45,280
as a young man of course you know he

1143
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:47,200
wanted to go out and see the world and

1144
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:49,359
he was an aspiring mercenary and after

1145
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:52,800
they went ahead and subjugated bohemia

1146
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:55,280
the army was marching back to spain

1147
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:58,800
and he had a very interesting dream

1148
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,359
several nights out on the march

1149
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:03,280
back from bohemia

1150
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:06,160
and according to descartes an angel came

1151
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,760
to him in a dream and told him a secret

1152
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,520
about nature he said

1153
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:13,680
the angel said the secret of nature is

1154
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,560
by measure in number that was really

1155
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:18,000
where you can trace back the

1156
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:19,280
underpinnings

1157
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:20,319
of the

1158
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:23,119
age of reason and actually uh the

1159
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,920
beginning of the scientific

1160
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,839
age if you will

1161
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:29,280
no i think that's that's true but i

1162
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:30,800
think the difference between the the

1163
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,359
western mind founded on on what she was

1164
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,000
a major influence and the eastern mines

1165
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,720
as reflected in uh not necessarily even

1166
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,160
greek stock is that that was the origin

1167
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:42,160
of the western mind but in in uh some

1168
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:43,839
muslim thought and some people

1169
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:46,880
zoroastrian zoroastrianism is the basis

1170
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,440
of most modern religious beliefs

1171
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:50,880
including the immortality of the soul

1172
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:52,000
and let's get we have a whole chapter on

1173
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:53,760
that too as a matter of fact

1174
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,000
the idea is is that that i think where

1175
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,800
it went wrong was that in the western

1176
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:01,440
mind uh and really in the modern mind

1177
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:03,920
universally you take things apart in

1178
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:07,040
order to understand them in the eastern

1179
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,560
mine traditionally and that this goes to

1180
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:10,800
the far east as well as the middle east

1181
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:13,200
you put things together in order to

1182
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:14,560
understand them i think this is a

1183
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:15,760
critical

1184
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,720
point in approaching perhaps a broader

1185
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:21,200
understanding of of the paranormal even

1186
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:23,200
the uh the modern investigative

1187
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:24,800
techniques when it comes to the

1188
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:27,040
quote-unquote ghost phenomena you know

1189
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:28,720
involving engineers tools such as the

1190
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,400
electromagnetic field meter and all this

1191
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:32,800
but you know you take things apart

1192
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,400
and you don't

1193
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,720
put them together uh there is some there

1194
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,640
is a certain belief that i i

1195
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:40,400
at least suspect

1196
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,000
that uh very often when that you know

1197
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:45,359
they're on these um on these ghost hunts

1198
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:47,599
something i discourage by the way uh and

1199
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,520
the temperature is manipulated by the

1200
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,119
quote unquote spirit that the

1201
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,440
investigator may actually be influencing

1202
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:55,200
the environment in that way so these are

1203
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:57,440
all things that are not considered

1204
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,720
generally uh in modern quote-unquote

1205
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:02,640
paranormal investigation which is based

1206
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:04,000
on this idea that you take everything

1207
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,560
apart so not only does the the west have

1208
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:08,560
a habit of taking things apart they have

1209
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,880
a habit of taking them out bashing them

1210
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,400
and breaking them into the smallest

1211
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:15,119
pieces that they can that's right

1212
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:17,520
yes and then start measuring that's true

1213
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:19,119
so it is a matter of point of view but i

1214
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:20,720
think you get farther if you look at the

1215
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:23,280
whole if you have a holistic approach

1216
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:25,280
we're starting to realize that in the

1217
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,560
west i think we're starting to realize

1218
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,560
that in medicine that the human body

1219
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,400
isn't necessarily just this machine you

1220
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,240
poke around like a car mechanic until

1221
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:34,160
you see it see if you can fix something

1222
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,079
uh but it's a holistic approach it's the

1223
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:38,800
uh attitude the psychology the the the

1224
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:39,839
diet

1225
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:41,359
you know everything you put in and

1226
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:43,119
everything that's in there already and i

1227
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:44,000
think

1228
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:45,200
that same kind of approach to the

1229
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,680
paranormal is paved by the idea of the

1230
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,760
multiverse even the physical health i

1231
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:51,599
think can be affected by multiverse

1232
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,200
ideas that bring a great unity with a

1233
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:57,839
capital u in the spirit spirit of the

1234
00:47:02,230 --> 00:46:59,839
most ancient peoples uh ubuntu the

1235
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:02,240
african notion of uh the very ancient

1236
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:05,119
african notion of of justice and freedom

1237
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:07,280
uh in unity that everything we do

1238
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:08,800
affects one another

1239
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,960
for this book too we did a lot for a

1240
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:12,800
previous one did a lot of research with

1241
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:15,359
the the uh australian aborigines and

1242
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:16,720
with uh some

1243
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:18,400
of the more ancient peoples i didn't

1244
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,760
actually go to the indian ocean but i

1245
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:21,839
knew people who had and i was

1246
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,400
the nicobar and andaman islanders of

1247
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:26,880
that area have an unbroken

1248
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:29,280
tradition that goes back between thirty

1249
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:32,880
and fifty thousand years unbroken uh the

1250
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:35,760
the isan and koisan bushman in africa

1251
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:38,160
their dna goes right back to the

1252
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,560
bottleneck that occurred about 150 000

1253
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:42,240
years ago the human race almost ceased

1254
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,960
to exist uh their traditions are just

1255
00:47:48,550 --> 00:47:46,800
you know millennia after millennium

1256
00:47:50,550 --> 00:47:48,560
after millennium after millennia and

1257
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:50,560
it's just these are people to whom we

1258
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,680
should listen

1259
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,240
and they have ideas about these things

1260
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,079
that are very much in line with what

1261
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:58,640
quantum physics has has discovered or

1262
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:00,880
things has discovered as far as

1263
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,160
multiverses and even the nature of deity

1264
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:06,240
our own sharing in that it's really

1265
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,680
amazing it has

1266
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:10,079
universal applications for history

1267
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:12,880
theology self-understanding psychology

1268
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,760
and uh again the the perfect example of

1269
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,520
having brought it all together and these

1270
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:19,440
were our remote our most remote

1271
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,760
ancestors it's really again the first

1272
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,520
day of school and uh

1273
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,920
hence the idea everything we know is is

1274
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,599
wrong or as i say at least not good

1275
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,839
enough is it a matter of maybe

1276
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,440
rediscovering

1277
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,520
having gone down a path

1278
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:36,000
that just isn't working in terms of

1279
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:37,760
reflecting our reality and now we kind

1280
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,800
of have to

1281
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,040
go back and figure out what we knew

1282
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,680
before and bring it up to date gene i

1283
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,599
think that's exactly right the question

1284
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:47,280
is how do we do that and have it be

1285
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:48,880
effective in other words you have a lot

1286
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:51,680
of people today who read a few books

1287
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:54,640
on shamanism say you know they they set

1288
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,079
themselves up

1289
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:58,000
as shamans maybe they'll go camping or

1290
00:49:03,190 --> 00:48:59,920
take what they would do they moved to

1291
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:03,200
sedona they moved they moved to sedona

1292
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:05,440
or asheville and then set themselves up

1293
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,480
as a shaman

1294
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,079
sedona the only place i've ever been

1295
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:10,319
where you get idle conversation on the

1296
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,680
street that inevitably turns to the

1297
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:13,359
paranormal it's great

1298
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:15,760
so you have to walk the walk as pardon

1299
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:19,040
the cliche and not just talk the talk

1300
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,800
any real shaman will tell you that you

1301
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:23,119
really have to grow up in it you have to

1302
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:26,000
become part of the culture and really

1303
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:28,079
ideally even if you were to learn a new

1304
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,319
language ideally you become part of the

1305
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:32,400
culture because then you you will begin

1306
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,559
to understand the language

1307
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:36,480
there's a funny saying in quebec i spent

1308
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:38,319
a lot of time in in quebec canada

1309
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:40,400
general quebec in particular many years

1310
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:42,839
ago and there's a saying uh question

1311
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:45,520
margin what does it eat in the winter

1312
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,040
and then says what the hey does that

1313
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:48,720
mean well you have to have been in

1314
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,000
quebec and experience some of their

1315
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:52,319
culture and you know you know how the

1316
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,440
winter affects life there and it's just

1317
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,599
an old saying like uh

1318
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:59,760
what what is that thing how does it

1319
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,280
survive in the winter

1320
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:03,680
explain it to me and it did

1321
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,839
cascade miles on the face but unless

1322
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,280
you're familiar with the culture there

1323
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:09,680
and the lives of the people then that

1324
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,960
part of the language might not mean

1325
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:13,040
anything to you so the same thing how

1326
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,640
much more so when it comes to

1327
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,640
understanding the human spirit or the

1328
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:18,400
experiences of the paranormal that we

1329
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:19,359
have

1330
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:22,000
if our own remote ancestors had not

1331
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,000
experienced what they believed were

1332
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,960
supernatural beings or and or

1333
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:29,119
experienced questions they couldn't

1334
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:30,800
answer things that needed explanation we

1335
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:34,079
wouldn't have uh religion or science

1336
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:35,680
really today and whatever it was they

1337
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:36,960
were experiencing maybe they didn't

1338
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:39,440
understand it but religion or science uh

1339
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:40,960
what is the mother of religion inside

1340
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,359
really it's the paranormal the unknown

1341
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,760
the unexplained that's the mother really

1342
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:47,520
of science and religion which by the way

1343
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:48,559
have not

1344
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,440
been at odds very often over the uh the

1345
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,760
period even even western history only

1346
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,680
now with fundamentalism which is really

1347
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:57,599
stunning when you think about it oh yeah

1348
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,880
they were almost one of the same you

1349
00:51:01,510 --> 00:51:00,079
know for

1350
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,520
for centuries i mean you know the whole

1351
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:03,440
galileo thing is often point i don't

1352
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:04,480
mean to wander here but the whole

1353
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:06,960
galileo thing is often pointed to as an

1354
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,079
example of the you know the

1355
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:10,559
narrow-minded uh conventions of the the

1356
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:11,680
roman catholic church and everything

1357
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:12,720
else and yeah there are plenty of

1358
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:14,720
narrow-minded conventions there but in

1359
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:17,839
this case he was not um

1360
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:21,119
condemned he was it was political

1361
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:23,520
90 political and he was grudgingly

1362
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,240
respected by the vatican as a scientist

1363
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,720
uh so there's a lot of uh

1364
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:30,240
there's a difference between house

1365
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:33,040
arrest and uh decapitation or the rack

1366
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:35,040
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1424
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welcome back to the paracast the gold

1425
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standard of paranormal radio

1426
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and now

1427
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:18,230
here's jane steinberg

1428
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:24,309
we have paulino we're learning why

1429
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,680
everything

1430
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:27,839
we know is wrong i have a question paul

1431
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:31,040
you said in order to inhabit the role

1432
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:32,640
you kind of have to be brought up in it

1433
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:35,359
like speaking about shaman who are

1434
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:36,480
generally

1435
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:38,240
raised in a tradition by their

1436
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:39,839
grandfather

1437
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,400
or grandmother in the case of a girl it

1438
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:44,640
generally skips a generation and it

1439
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:47,760
starts early on prepubescent and then

1440
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,520
continues on throughout

1441
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,680
the person's lifetime until they become

1442
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,000
the head of whatever

1443
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:56,079
lineage it is or a practitioner of the

1444
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:57,119
lineage

1445
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:59,040
and since i want to be a techno shaman i

1446
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,960
guess i got to go out and learn html a

1447
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:02,559
little better

1448
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:03,760
don't we all

1449
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:06,000
well people often ask ben that if he's

1450
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:08,000
with me on a show and they'll say well

1451
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:09,760
how'd you get like you you are or

1452
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:12,079
whatever how'd you get into this field

1453
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:14,319
and he refers to himself as my spawn you

1454
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:15,760
know that he grew up with me and

1455
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,119
listened to every lecture every year all

1456
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:20,400
this business but really more deeply he

1457
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:23,920
he studied ben studied under uh a shaman

1458
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:26,880
who was um a full aztec full-blooded

1459
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:29,920
aztec and comes from generations of

1460
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,680
shaman so it's really kind of i suppose

1461
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:33,599
you could say in his dna

1462
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,440
he lived here in rhode island and we

1463
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:37,359
were ben was able to go see him and and

1464
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,440
do some work with him and and to this

1465
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,920
ben still doesn't call himself a shaman

1466
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:43,440
and people sometimes refer to me as a

1467
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:45,280
theologian i mean that's not true i mean

1468
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:46,559
i studied it

1469
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,079
formally and all the stuff but but the

1470
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:50,720
theologian implies a certain amount of

1471
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:54,079
uh even sanctity that i am far from in

1472
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:55,760
the same way shaman

1473
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:57,920
that term implies a lot more than just

1474
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:00,720
having studied it it's lived it so we

1475
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:02,880
transferred this over to what we call

1476
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,040
multiverse awareness

1477
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:07,359
how do you take what the principles are

1478
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,040
that we think we might be seeing in

1479
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,040
paranormal research uh coming from the

1480
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,520
multiverse multiple parallel realities

1481
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:15,599
multiple versions of ourselves seeing

1482
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:16,880
what you think is a ghost and it's

1483
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:18,880
actually somebody going about their day

1484
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:20,960
or communicating with someone or

1485
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:22,079
something

1486
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:24,319
from that sort of parallel

1487
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:25,599
realities

1488
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:29,040
which just hit me as i was talking to

1489
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:32,240
you we're talking about counterparts

1490
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:34,720
to us in different universes

1491
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:36,640
what happens if the two meet

1492
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:38,720
oh that happens relatively frequently i

1493
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:39,440
think

1494
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:41,119
okay so there's another one of me

1495
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:43,280
possibly roaming around loose there's

1496
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:45,599
another chris another you but not just

1497
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,480
in

1498
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,319
earth 38

1499
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:49,680
but right here

1500
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:52,240
possibly we often have people write to

1501
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:54,319
us uh you know to our show and say you

1502
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,079
know i walked into the kitchen and for

1503
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:58,640
example there i was sitting

1504
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:59,680
at the island in the middle of the

1505
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:02,000
kitchen reading the paper so people see

1506
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:04,880
ghosts of themselves as it were

1507
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,119
yeah i mean it's a fascinating thing

1508
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:09,280
with the whole multiverse idea as far as

1509
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,880
meeting yourself is concerned or

1510
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:12,720
affecting your own

1511
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:13,839
future

1512
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,160
i think that that that is tempered by

1513
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,400
the idea that everything is simultaneous

1514
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:20,400
you know the old time conundrum you know

1515
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:22,000
you go back and you shoot your own

1516
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:24,480
grandfather uh with a time machine or

1517
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:26,000
something and you shoot your grandfather

1518
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:27,520
how could you be born well that doesn't

1519
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:29,839
seem to be how it works uh every time

1520
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:31,520
you make a choice or a decision or

1521
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:33,760
something happens you've essentially

1522
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,920
created another a branch of this

1523
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:37,760
universal tree another really another

1524
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:40,240
universe and as far as running into

1525
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:41,520
yourself

1526
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:44,240
right here yeah that's entirely possible

1527
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:45,599
there's the old saying everybody has a

1528
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:46,640
double

1529
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:48,079
but the question is what is the nature

1530
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:49,599
of the consciousness what is what is the

1531
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:50,799
nature of the connection what is the

1532
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,400
nature of the unity

1533
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:54,559
i think that when we have

1534
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:56,480
various memories when we have

1535
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:58,960
precognitive dreams things of this kind

1536
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:01,040
we may very well be sharing

1537
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:03,680
a world with it with ourselves uh we can

1538
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,640
be our own guardian angels you know the

1539
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:08,240
folklore about angels and things of this

1540
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:10,480
kind may not be just folklore uh they

1541
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:12,799
may not necessarily be servants of of

1542
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:15,200
god who will help you in your life uh

1543
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,440
they may be they may be other other

1544
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:19,599
versions of yourself from worlds where

1545
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,240
you can as this guy and that version of

1546
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:24,160
ontario said you can talk to your

1547
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:27,119
neighbors and maybe you can help

1548
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:29,839
versions of yourself um i find this a

1549
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:32,160
lot with ancestors something you don't

1550
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,319
hear very often in the west that uh

1551
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,480
there's there's a real connection

1552
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:38,160
uh between certainly all people but

1553
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:41,040
between uh other versions of ourselves

1554
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:42,720
and uh other versions of our own

1555
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:45,040
ancestors and loved ones and relatives

1556
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:46,960
and it really is quite elegant and quite

1557
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:49,040
complete i don't know how else to put

1558
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:51,280
that but as far as running into physical

1559
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:53,359
versions of ourselves here yeah

1560
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:54,720
i hear that

1561
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:56,720
when someone sees something that might

1562
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:58,799
happen in the future so you have a

1563
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:00,640
so-called psychic reading

1564
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:03,119
are they just looking into another

1565
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:05,839
universe and seeing what's happening to

1566
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,160
that counterpart of you

1567
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:10,640
i think that's probably true

1568
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:13,200
and again because of the simultaneity

1569
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:16,079
of consciousness and and what we call

1570
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:18,640
past what we call future uh it's all

1571
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:20,000
simultaneous i think that that's

1572
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:21,200
relatively

1573
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:23,200
easily done the question is how do they

1574
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:24,720
interpret it

1575
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:26,720
the the fly in the ointment here gene

1576
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:30,240
and chris are what we call the parasites

1577
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:32,480
okay and we have a lot of material on

1578
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:34,640
this too and uh for example that that

1579
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:36,880
poltergeist case in 74 were the warrens

1580
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:39,280
and i'm watching this refrigerator float

1581
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,720
uh a lot of other things that happened

1582
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:42,240
that were very negative

1583
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:44,559
and i think what we're dealing with

1584
00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:45,520
are not

1585
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:47,359
demons i mean i think they fill the bill

1586
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:49,520
but that that's that's how we in our

1587
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:51,599
narrow paradigm approach it you know

1588
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:53,119
servants of satan trying to wreck your

1589
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:55,200
life and all they seem to be on the

1590
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:57,920
other hand life forms uh of several

1591
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:01,440
different species who will uh feed up

1592
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:03,280
between worlds

1593
01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:04,880
uh and and that's the critical thing

1594
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:06,480
they seem to be able to move between

1595
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:08,960
worlds ben and i have found them feeding

1596
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:10,640
on several different events in several

1597
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:12,160
different worlds at the same time i'm

1598
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:13,520
thinking of a vacation king of prussia

1599
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:16,640
pennsylvania outside philadelphia 04

1600
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,760
uh where there was uh something going on

1601
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:21,599
in sharing the same space something very

1602
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:23,920
negative like a shooting

1603
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:26,319
and the thing was feeding on that and

1604
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:27,680
then it was going in when it couldn't

1605
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:29,119
get enough there it would go to the

1606
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:31,040
house and bother two girls who shared

1607
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:32,640
this apartment

1608
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:34,319
and they believed they were being

1609
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,720
haunted by several other people who they

1610
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:38,640
interpreted as ghosts but were actually

1611
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:41,119
living in a third parallel reality and

1612
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:42,799
we're being fed upon by this this

1613
01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:43,920
parasite

1614
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:46,559
it gets really tangled uh but it's still

1615
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:48,160
pretty fascinating and i think this is

1616
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:50,400
what it is uh how do they move between

1617
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:52,960
these worlds well life is very tenacious

1618
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:55,359
and it's everywhere and every win the

1619
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:57,920
whole biology of the uh at the bottom of

1620
01:01:02,470 --> 01:00:59,839
the sea you know by the uh

1621
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:02,480
volcanic vents sulfur dioxide actually

1622
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:04,799
creating an environment that an entirely

1623
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,960
different ecosystem can live on

1624
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:08,880
than the one that is the biology is fed

1625
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:11,040
by the sun as as ours is you know when

1626
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:12,640
we thought this is one of the areas

1627
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:14,559
science was wrong that all life has to

1628
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:17,599
be based uh on the sun even now we go to

1629
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:19,040
other planets and we look for life you

1630
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:19,839
know

1631
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:23,280
conditions in this order of our life is

1632
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:25,200
we don't know it well these parasites

1633
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,640
seem to be

1634
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:28,880
examples of life as we don't know it and

1635
01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:30,799
they feed upon for the lack of a better

1636
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:33,760
term energy that divides

1637
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:36,000
i can't put any better finger on it than

1638
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:39,440
that but you see them everywhere in the

1639
01:01:44,750 --> 01:01:41,280
history of the paranormal

1640
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:44,760
for example the um bell witch case

1641
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:47,760
1817-1821 in tennessee uh very well

1642
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:50,079
publicized the american haunting the

1643
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:52,160
film the american haunting with donald

1644
01:01:56,470 --> 01:01:54,000
sutherland and spacek it was based

1645
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:56,480
on that case a lot of books but i think

1646
01:01:59,829 --> 01:01:57,760
what a lot of people don't consider is

1647
01:02:03,030 --> 01:01:59,839
that there was a lot more going on in

1648
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:03,040
this area uh that than uh just this girl

1649
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:04,799
being picked on by a what appeared to be

1650
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:07,119
a poltergeist i think there were as many

1651
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:08,240
and i was

1652
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:10,319
an unofficial consultant on that film we

1653
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:12,160
were going to do a separate production

1654
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:14,400
of featurette uh on it so i was given

1655
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:15,680
some documents

1656
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:17,520
and uh what was the basis of this well

1657
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:20,160
they seemed to be uh child sexual abuse

1658
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:21,359
going on

1659
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,319
in this how in this family and uh

1660
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:26,400
popularly it was considered that john

1661
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:28,960
bell was the father was attacked by the

1662
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:30,720
post guys eventually killed by it i

1663
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:32,559
don't think that was the case

1664
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:33,839
the um

1665
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:36,400
the girl uh was also being set upon by

1666
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:37,839
this but i think when you look at what

1667
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:41,280
this this thing was doing uh it would um

1668
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:43,920
attract as much attention as possible

1669
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:45,920
and feed on as many people as possible

1670
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:47,440
it became so

1671
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:48,880
powerful from the attention it was

1672
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:50,160
getting from the neighbors and from the

1673
01:02:53,589 --> 01:02:52,400
family that was able to leave the house

1674
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:53,599
i should say there i think there were

1675
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:55,200
about six of these things

1676
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:57,440
leave the house and uh give people

1677
01:03:01,910 --> 01:02:59,599
agricultural advice send them on wild

1678
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:01,920
goose chase treasure hunts do all sorts

1679
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:03,359
of things that are generally not

1680
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:04,640
reported

1681
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,319
now i think what was happening was that

1682
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:08,079
uh and this this was one of the

1683
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:09,760
questions people would ask it who are

1684
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:11,760
you what are you and where did you come

1685
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:12,640
from

1686
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:13,440
well

1687
01:03:18,069 --> 01:03:15,200
they said that six of them seem to

1688
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:18,079
betray a fascinating trait i've seen

1689
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:20,160
among parasites and that's that the

1690
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:21,839
longer they spend attached to a human

1691
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:24,880
host or any host uh in a parallel world

1692
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:26,880
other than their own the more they tend

1693
01:03:31,349 --> 01:03:29,280
to forget their own origins it's utterly

1694
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:31,359
fascinating you know what's fascinating

1695
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is to listen to these announcements the

1696
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book and the radio show are called

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1698
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1699
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and gene and chris probably agreeing

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last few days we've had an interesting

1812
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phenomenon going on and that is with

1813
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skype suddenly

1814
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:26,880
i can't hear the people at the other end

1815
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:29,040
of the call it's not my hearing going it

1816
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:32,560
is skype losing its mind

1817
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,440
going into another universe

1818
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:37,199
now here's an interesting thing that

1819
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:39,199
comes to me paul you know when we talk

1820
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:40,000
about

1821
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:42,400
the multiverse and the interactions

1822
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:44,319
between our universe and another

1823
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:45,440
universe

1824
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:48,560
you always look in the sci-fi

1825
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:51,199
stories about people going from one

1826
01:08:56,709 --> 01:08:53,920
universe to another you see kind of like

1827
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:56,719
a watery mist kind of like stargate you

1828
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:59,279
see the water and you go into the water

1829
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:01,279
this little gate or something and you

1830
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,239
end up

1831
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:04,080
in another place

1832
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,040
so is there a way do we think if i

1833
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:09,600
wanted to go to earth 17

1834
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:12,319
i could just go or do i will myself to

1835
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:14,640
earth 17. like they did in the movie

1836
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:16,960
somewhere in time where christopher

1837
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:20,640
reeve wills himself back in time um

1838
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:22,880
yeah well i suppose that's possible but

1839
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:25,359
i think moving from one world to another

1840
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:27,199
jumping from one world to another is i

1841
01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:29,359
don't think it's quite that clear cut

1842
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:32,319
we refer to world families

1843
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:34,640
okay in other words when you get up and

1844
01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:36,480
you think of them even physicists will

1845
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:39,440
talk about them as almost bubbles or

1846
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:40,880
like soap studs

1847
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,040
what's what's the term space-time foam

1848
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:45,120
they'll sometimes call it uh separated

1849
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:48,640
by membranes or brains bra b-r-a-n-e-s

1850
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:49,600
and

1851
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:52,319
we seem to not just live in one of these

1852
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:54,960
we seem to pass through perhaps millions

1853
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:57,920
in a day but the world family concept is

1854
01:10:02,390 --> 01:09:59,920
that you suppose you you get up

1855
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:02,400
uh and you have your morning routine uh

1856
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:03,760
in the case of

1857
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:06,159
we're all guys so we may probably shave

1858
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:08,159
and all this business and uh do that

1859
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:11,120
with a relatively um a steady routine

1860
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:12,960
but when we

1861
01:10:17,669 --> 01:10:15,840
put the razor down we we've essentially

1862
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:17,679
passed into another

1863
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:20,640
universe okay but the thing is that that

1864
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:22,560
our consciousness probably the

1865
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:25,040
consciousness of the entire biosphere

1866
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:28,000
keep those worlds pretty much in order

1867
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:30,880
so that if you want to disrupt them

1868
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:32,400
we'd pretty much have to all do it

1869
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:33,600
together

1870
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:35,040
you could you could do it yourself you

1871
01:10:39,669 --> 01:10:37,120
know with the proper kind of i suppose

1872
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:39,679
shamanistic training or or mindset or

1873
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:42,400
whatever but it's it's essentially

1874
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:43,840
moving the world through the world

1875
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:46,320
family in an orderly way that that we

1876
01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:48,080
pretty much determine

1877
01:10:52,149 --> 01:10:50,000
and when you have

1878
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:52,159
disruptions in that you know you're

1879
01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:54,560
being jostled by another world family so

1880
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:56,239
some of which the ones that are closest

1881
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:57,600
to us probably are not all that

1882
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:58,480
different

1883
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:00,000
but some are

1884
01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:02,800
hence we were jostled in that house in

1885
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:05,199
bridgeport connecticut in 74

1886
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:06,400
by um

1887
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:07,920
white if we'd known at the time to look

1888
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:10,239
for perhaps very very disrupted

1889
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:12,560
electromagnetic fields or or a number of

1890
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:13,840
other factors

1891
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:17,440
uh that we were jostled by a were or or

1892
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:20,239
passed through by a world in which the

1893
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:21,840
laws of physics were very different

1894
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:24,000
hence the refrigerator floated you know

1895
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:25,280
and you have things you know playing

1896
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:27,679
frisbee with your fine china these are

1897
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:30,080
not part of our normal world families

1898
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:32,239
they're a disruption of the order that

1899
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:32,960
we

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01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:35,600
perhaps as a biosphere maintain

1901
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:38,560
so consciousness is everything here and

1902
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:40,800
to be able to move i think well maybe

1903
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:42,480
maybe you play the piano better than i

1904
01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:45,520
do gene uh or maybe a chris you uh have

1905
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:48,000
an ability like that only it it's an

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01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:50,400
ability to move more easily between

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brains you know through brains uh

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brandis this kind of thing

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as we see in many many worlds it depends

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on physics

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01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:01,040
uh the laws of physics in our particular

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world uh one of the things that made me

1913
01:12:08,229 --> 01:12:06,080
question the old spirit ghost idea was

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that the laws of physics here are really

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not conducive to the entirety of a being

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01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:13,840
uh being maintained without a body

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01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:15,920
physical body you know that that doesn't

1918
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:18,480
add up hence another idea that maybe

1919
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:19,840
you're dealing with probably universes

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01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:22,080
instead of a spirit thing that's a long

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01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:23,760
answer to a short question but i think

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01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:25,600
it's kind of yes and no

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01:12:29,830 --> 01:12:27,920
yes you you can do that you can't move

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01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:29,840
among worlds and you do

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01:12:33,750 --> 01:12:31,120
but can you move i think what you're

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01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:33,760
really asking gene to a very different

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01:12:39,189 --> 01:12:36,480
world say on another planet

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01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:39,199
or uh into a world where you're

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01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:41,040
you know you're married to somebody else

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01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:42,960
or this kind of thing and yeah that can

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01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:44,239
be done

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but here's the problem

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01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:47,600
we are at a point in our revolution

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01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:50,239
where we might not really be up to that

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01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:52,080
a good example is is probably the

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wildest thing i'll be able to say on the

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01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:55,040
show today

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01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:56,560
and that's when i was dealing with

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01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,040
talking to shaman in australia and in

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01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:01,360
quebec one was of course an aboriginal

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01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,480
elder in australia the other was a cree

1942
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:06,480
elder shaman in quebec

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01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:09,600
both told me that when they were kids

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01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:11,280
shaman they knew

1945
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:13,040
had brought people back

1946
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:14,400
from the dead

1947
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:17,040
not resurrection not reincarnation

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01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:18,719
actually brought people back from the

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01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:20,000
dead by

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01:13:23,669 --> 01:13:21,600
passing through

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01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:23,679
a world boundary into a world where

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01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:25,840
these people had not died in the case of

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01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:27,040
the guy in

1954
01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:29,040
quebec he was the young father of a

1955
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:31,280
family in australia was a kid and they

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01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:32,800
literally grabbed them by the arm pulled

1957
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:34,880
them across back across the membrane and

1958
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:36,080
there they were

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01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:37,840
how would they like that what if they

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01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:39,679
have their own lives in that other

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01:13:43,830 --> 01:13:40,880
universe

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01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:43,840
isn't it kind of disruptive to say okay

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01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:47,360
we're finding your existence in earth

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01:13:52,149 --> 01:13:49,679
seven let's take it back to earth one

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01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:52,159
yes that's pretty much what happened and

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01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:54,000
it was not a good idea they realized it

1967
01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:55,920
wasn't a good idea according to now

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01:14:00,070 --> 01:13:58,000
again this is 30 years secondhand

1969
01:14:02,070 --> 01:14:00,080
third-hand information that i got but

1970
01:14:03,910 --> 01:14:02,080
they said the families had been totally

1971
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:03,920
distraught at the deaths of these two

1972
01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:06,080
people and had to offer them lots of

1973
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:07,520
money and all kinds of stuff and that

1974
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:08,719
they just sort of gave in because you

1975
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:11,280
know shamans are people too right so in

1976
01:14:16,149 --> 01:14:13,440
the case of the the young boy

1977
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:16,159
in australia he did not know some of his

1978
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:17,840
siblings because in the world he came

1979
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,080
from those siblings had never been born

1980
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:22,560
sounds like the tv show fringe do you

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01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:24,560
remember the tv show friends wait not to

1982
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:26,640
watch these shows okay because i don't

1983
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:28,560
want people to say that's been suggested

1984
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:29,520
because then i've been talking about

1985
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:31,360
this stuff for 30 years myself so okay

1986
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:32,560
let me just tell you very quickly what

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01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:33,840
happens here is one of the lead

1988
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:37,040
characters who is the son of this crazy

1989
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:39,600
guy and it turns out that he's not the

1990
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:42,880
original the original died and his dad

1991
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:44,719
was so distraught he went into another

1992
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:48,080
universe and kidnapped the counterpart

1993
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:49,920
seriously

1994
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:52,480
on the tv show is a j.j abrams tv show

1995
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:54,000
called fringe and it was on several

1996
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:57,199
years ago and john noble was the crazy

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01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:58,159
father

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01:15:02,790 --> 01:15:00,000
of course he's kind of a wacky guy he's

1999
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:02,800
an actor from australia and that

2000
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:05,440
was one of the main plot points

2001
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:07,600
that there was a second universe a

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01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:10,080
second earth with somewhat different

2003
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:11,920
histories and such

2004
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:14,640
with counterparts to us

2005
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:16,960
yeah what if they read my books

2006
01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:19,280
this was about 10 years ago i guess by

2007
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:21,520
now yeah yeah well there you go there

2008
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:23,440
you go but these guys actually told me

2009
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:25,760
this is what happened again in quebec

2010
01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:28,320
and in australia the australian and the

2011
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:30,480
guy in quebec who was brought back uh

2012
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:32,719
literally lost his mind yeah he couldn't

2013
01:15:37,030 --> 01:15:34,239
handle it he would walk walk to work

2014
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:37,040
every day past his own grave so i mean

2015
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:38,560
how do you deal with that kind of thing

2016
01:15:42,310 --> 01:15:40,159
i don't think we're quite up to actually

2017
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:42,320
dealing with this sort of thing so

2018
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:45,120
were we to move to a a different world

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01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:46,320
consciously

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01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:48,560
the results might be very bad

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01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:50,960
i mean there's a reason for the order of

2022
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:53,120
the world families and i think that uh

2023
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:54,880
we are so frightened what did hp

2024
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:56,560
lovecraft say he said

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01:16:01,270 --> 01:15:58,320
the most terrifying thing to the human

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01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:01,280
spirit is a disruption in time and space

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01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:03,520
when we stay in the order of the world

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01:16:07,669 --> 01:16:05,679
families we move through them in an area

2029
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:07,679
that to us to our consciousness seems

2030
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:09,600
we're moving from past to future it's

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01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:11,440
orderly it's predictable the sun comes

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up in the in the east not the west every

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01:16:18,790 --> 01:16:15,840
day and and that gives us

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security and keeps us from losing it

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whereas if we deliberately disrupt the

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flow of the world families or or

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when we experience paranormal phenomena

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no fault of our own although really it

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is in a way that's another story we have

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trouble handling it's like ptsd on

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steroids sometimes we've got more to

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come with paulino everything you know is

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the multiverse alternate realities so

2175
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:19,040
there was a theory that was

2176
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:21,120
voiced on this show and by a blogger

2177
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:23,760
named red pill junkie suggesting and

2178
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:25,920
you've heard this possibly before that

2179
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:27,120
there is a

2180
01:22:30,390 --> 01:22:29,120
relationship between near-death

2181
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:30,400
experiences

2182
01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:32,880
and ufo abductions

2183
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:35,120
so are both seeing something happening

2184
01:22:39,430 --> 01:22:36,880
in another universe

2185
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:39,440
well that's entirely possible uh i'm

2186
01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:41,040
thinking of a third

2187
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:42,400
phenomenon that

2188
01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:44,800
is not well known and i think we're the

2189
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:46,960
only ones talking about it but we call

2190
01:22:51,590 --> 01:22:49,199
it the flashing nexus

2191
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:51,600
and the nexus being

2192
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:54,000
the uh perhaps our core consciousness

2193
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:56,000
where all our lives

2194
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:58,159
perhaps um meet

2195
01:23:02,390 --> 01:23:00,080
or where the consciousnesses are

2196
01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:02,400
exchanged to this sort of thing uh and

2197
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:04,480
the flashing comes from a report now

2198
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,560
that this started in the 70s

2199
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:08,400
and there was a man on an operating

2200
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:09,360
table

2201
01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:10,880
who later

2202
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:13,440
came to me and said that he had had

2203
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:16,480
experiences that had just he had no name

2204
01:23:18,629 --> 01:23:17,280
for

2205
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:18,639
he's on the operating table all of a

2206
01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:20,480
sudden he was

2207
01:23:23,110 --> 01:23:21,679
the doctor

2208
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:23,120
and he kind of joked that it's a good

2209
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:25,600
thing he had all the man's imagination

2210
01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:26,639
memory

2211
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:28,239
knowledge because he was operating on

2212
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:29,440
himself

2213
01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:31,440
all of a sudden he was the nurse

2214
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:33,520
then he was someone in the hallway and

2215
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:35,280
then he was someone driving by in a car

2216
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:37,600
outside and for a few seconds he had the

2217
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:39,760
entire consciousness he said of all

2218
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:42,480
these different people but flashing in a

2219
01:23:48,070 --> 01:23:46,480
sense of one to the other later on when

2220
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:48,080
this whole idea of the multiverse and

2221
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:49,360
you know shared lives come up in

2222
01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:51,600
versions of ourselves i beg i wondered

2223
01:23:55,750 --> 01:23:53,360
you know he's probably experiencing

2224
01:23:58,950 --> 01:23:55,760
where he is these people in different

2225
01:24:01,270 --> 01:23:58,960
parallel worlds okay one by one and very

2226
01:24:03,669 --> 01:24:01,280
quickly we've had other reports of not a

2227
01:24:05,430 --> 01:24:03,679
lot but other reports of that happening

2228
01:24:07,910 --> 01:24:05,440
over the years people who are not

2229
01:24:10,070 --> 01:24:07,920
necessarily uh in physical trauma

2230
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:10,080
they're sometimes uh just just going

2231
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:11,199
through their normal day and all of a

2232
01:24:14,070 --> 01:24:13,280
sudden their consciousness shifts

2233
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:14,080
yeah

2234
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:16,960
experiences of parallel

2235
01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:18,320
lives

2236
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:21,040
one by one and again this can be a

2237
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:23,440
problem from the viewpoint of normality

2238
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:25,440
in our society normality is not only

2239
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:27,920
highly overrated it's highly relative

2240
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:29,199
because i've seen people who have the

2241
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:31,360
dissociative identity syndrome multiple

2242
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:33,199
personalities as they say and sometimes

2243
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:35,120
they speak in different voices and

2244
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:36,719
they're one for and i think that this it

2245
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:39,520
may be literally true that they may be

2246
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:41,760
experiencing uh real lives that they're

2247
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:43,760
living and hence even the different

2248
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:46,000
voices and uh

2249
01:24:50,470 --> 01:24:48,320
various intersect points between these

2250
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:50,480
lives i i think that space time is like

2251
01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:51,760
swiss cheese

2252
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:53,440
i think that it's very common to have

2253
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:55,840
overlaps and intersections uh intersects

2254
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:58,320
rather and combinations of lives things

2255
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:00,800
of this kind and maybe that's how help

2256
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:03,600
helps form our personalities various

2257
01:25:08,229 --> 01:25:05,440
aspects of ourselves in various worlds i

2258
01:25:10,870 --> 01:25:08,239
think it is a great interactive unity

2259
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:10,880
what about dreams when we have dreams

2260
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:12,639
that seem more than

2261
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:16,560
passing in terms of reality are we then

2262
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:18,880
participating in someone else's lives or

2263
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:21,120
witnessing it well someone else's lives

2264
01:25:25,270 --> 01:25:23,440
somewhere or somewhere are our lives

2265
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:25,280
literally the dreams are fascinating of

2266
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:28,000
course to everyone when i was a uh i'm a

2267
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:29,679
journalist by profession and i was i was

2268
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:31,920
an editor at the providence journal

2269
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:34,159
metro daily here in rhode island you

2270
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:35,440
know you put out the morning paper the

2271
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:37,120
night before so i was a night news

2272
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:39,280
editor there uh and then i would get up

2273
01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:40,480
early with

2274
01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:42,320
my but with ben and his older brother to

2275
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:43,280
take them to the school bus in the

2276
01:25:45,590 --> 01:25:44,480
morning because my wife worked nine to

2277
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,600
five and you know you do what you have

2278
01:25:50,470 --> 01:25:47,760
to do but uh as a result my sleep

2279
01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:50,480
schedule was very broken up i would

2280
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:52,000
sleep in the afternoon to make up for

2281
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:53,920
this for like a couple of hours that i

2282
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:55,840
would lose by coming home at one or two

2283
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:57,199
in the morning and getting you know you

2284
01:26:02,229 --> 01:25:59,600
know what i'm saying so as a result i

2285
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:02,239
remembered at least me remembered more

2286
01:26:07,270 --> 01:26:04,960
dreams than a lot of people might and i

2287
01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:07,280
would always write them down i would i

2288
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:09,760
would visit certain places

2289
01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:11,840
uh in these dreams sometimes with my

2290
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:13,360
wife sometimes with someone i didn't

2291
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:14,320
know

2292
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:16,000
and i would have

2293
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:18,639
life memories of these places i would

2294
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:21,120
know people there for example there is

2295
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:22,800
nothing spectacular about this but there

2296
01:26:26,149 --> 01:26:24,080
was a little

2297
01:26:29,350 --> 01:26:26,159
cafe on a street corner somewhere in

2298
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:29,360
pennsylvania and in that particular life

2299
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:32,000
we um i guess lived there or near there

2300
01:26:38,149 --> 01:26:34,560
we knew people on the street and i would

2301
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:38,159
live like a whole parts of days

2302
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:40,000
uh in the in these dreams a lot of times

2303
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:41,920
they wouldn't remember everything but uh

2304
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:43,440
and then there were there would be a

2305
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:45,199
certain amount of precognitive things

2306
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:48,880
because they whatever your your deja vu

2307
01:26:53,189 --> 01:26:51,040
you're having it has already occurred

2308
01:26:55,030 --> 01:26:53,199
and is occurring in some parallel life

2309
01:26:57,669 --> 01:26:55,040
or another hence the idea that you've

2310
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:57,679
been there before and i think uh dreams

2311
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:58,800
are um

2312
01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:01,360
real connections with the parallel lives

2313
01:27:04,149 --> 01:27:03,040
we're living others may not make any

2314
01:27:05,669 --> 01:27:04,159
sense

2315
01:27:08,149 --> 01:27:05,679
books have been written about the

2316
01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:08,159
symbolism of dreams things of this kind

2317
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:10,239
and but i don't know i think that many

2318
01:27:16,830 --> 01:27:11,199
of them

2319
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:16,840
may

2320
01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:20,080
be experiences of parallel uh lives that

2321
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:22,800
we're living parallel realities and uh

2322
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:24,400
in real worlds

2323
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:26,400
where we have a life

2324
01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:28,800
well i have a recurring dream

2325
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:30,719
where i live in this apartment complex

2326
01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:33,520
which is kind of sorta like a place i

2327
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:34,880
lived at

2328
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:36,960
back in the 1970s

2329
01:27:43,830 --> 01:27:40,000
in little neck new york but not the same

2330
01:27:47,189 --> 01:27:43,840
because it had very unusual parking area

2331
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:47,199
in multiple parts

2332
01:27:50,310 --> 01:27:48,080
and

2333
01:27:52,629 --> 01:27:50,320
that's what was different because in the

2334
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:52,639
place i actually lived it was a single

2335
01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:55,920
parking area for every resident

2336
01:28:00,629 --> 01:27:58,159
and so i have that recurring dream and i

2337
01:28:01,830 --> 01:28:00,639
wonder it seems pretty realistic at the

2338
01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:01,840
time

2339
01:28:05,189 --> 01:28:03,760
and i seem to have different cars than i

2340
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:05,199
had here

2341
01:28:10,709 --> 01:28:07,920
which is another aspect of it

2342
01:28:11,510 --> 01:28:10,719
i don't remember much of anything else

2343
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:11,520
yeah

2344
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:14,400
no entirely possible a very common um i

2345
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:16,400
i frequently have dreams of our old

2346
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:17,679
house we had a

2347
01:28:20,709 --> 01:28:19,280
lovely place in the cumberland rhode

2348
01:28:21,669 --> 01:28:20,719
island in the middle of the woods and

2349
01:28:24,229 --> 01:28:21,679
lots of

2350
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:24,239
animals and rabbits and cats and all

2351
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:26,000
that chickens

2352
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:29,199
and uh i i will have dreams of various

2353
01:28:33,270 --> 01:28:31,040
versions of it

2354
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:33,280
um under various circumstances different

2355
01:28:37,270 --> 01:28:35,199
kinds of weather different kinds of

2356
01:28:39,189 --> 01:28:37,280
landscape but it's always that

2357
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:39,199
a version of that house

2358
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:41,520
and uh you know and we might still be

2359
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:43,120
there we're not ben was born and we just

2360
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:44,320
didn't have the room so we moved to a

2361
01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:46,239
bigger house somewhere farther up the

2362
01:28:52,229 --> 01:28:49,360
river but um i think these are these are

2363
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:52,239
a normal condition of our lives a normal

2364
01:28:56,709 --> 01:28:54,480
condition of our consciousness and i'll

2365
01:28:58,390 --> 01:28:56,719
call you one better there gene uh i

2366
01:29:00,070 --> 01:28:58,400
always like to speak at colleges because

2367
01:29:01,270 --> 01:29:00,080
they ask intelligent questions and at

2368
01:29:03,270 --> 01:29:01,280
the end they

2369
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:03,280
put us in like an armchair like santa

2370
01:29:07,270 --> 01:29:05,120
claus and all the students come up and

2371
01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:07,280
tell us their their own stories you know

2372
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:09,280
their experiences well i was at mount

2373
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:11,520
ida college and near bosses many years

2374
01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:13,600
ago speaking there and i got a kick out

2375
01:29:16,149 --> 01:29:14,800
of it because half the students were

2376
01:29:18,390 --> 01:29:16,159
studying to be undertakers i thought

2377
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:18,400
that was kind of kind of appropriate

2378
01:29:23,270 --> 01:29:21,199
and um two freshmen girls uh came up to

2379
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:23,280
me at the end and they said

2380
01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:24,719
you know and i've been talking about

2381
01:29:28,709 --> 01:29:26,400
human relationships in the multiverse

2382
01:29:31,110 --> 01:29:28,719
and they said what if um you know why is

2383
01:29:33,350 --> 01:29:31,120
it that we saw each other for the first

2384
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:33,360
time never seen each other before across

2385
01:29:38,149 --> 01:29:35,360
the crowded room on registration day and

2386
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:38,159
we were sisters from the start and they

2387
01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:39,120
they've been

2388
01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:41,440
terrific friends ever since that day

2389
01:29:45,189 --> 01:29:44,159
and i said well because probably at some

2390
01:29:46,790 --> 01:29:45,199
point

2391
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:46,800
in the multiverse

2392
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:48,239
you are

2393
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:49,440
one another

2394
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:51,120
you are literally each other some

2395
01:29:54,870 --> 01:29:52,880
somewhere somewhere

2396
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:54,880
they knew precisely what i was talking

2397
01:29:59,350 --> 01:29:57,360
about they recognized it and i find

2398
01:30:01,590 --> 01:29:59,360
that happens a lot with people and they

2399
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:01,600
went you know scurrying away perfectly

2400
01:30:07,189 --> 01:30:04,960
happy that they had an explanation so um

2401
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:07,199
this unity is indiscriminate it's

2402
01:30:12,070 --> 01:30:09,840
complete and it does some strange things

2403
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:12,080
to the notion of the individual as uh

2404
01:30:16,790 --> 01:30:14,400
professor anna goswami says uh the

2405
01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:16,800
individual doesn't individualism is a

2406
01:30:21,189 --> 01:30:19,920
mistake the individual uh the the sense

2407
01:30:26,629 --> 01:30:21,199
of self

2408
01:30:28,310 --> 01:30:26,639
are part of this greater unity so

2409
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:28,320
take that for what it's worth i think

2410
01:30:32,470 --> 01:30:29,520
it's true

2411
01:30:34,629 --> 01:30:32,480
we have paulino joining us explaining

2412
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:34,639
why everything we know is wrong which we

2413
01:30:38,470 --> 01:30:36,480
agree with with gene and chris we'll

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hi this is nick pope you're listening to

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gene and christian the power cast with

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paul eno chris you want to toss a

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question or two in right now from our

2518
01:35:18,870 --> 01:35:16,320
listeners okay uh paul here's one i

2519
01:35:20,149 --> 01:35:18,880
think we discussed it maybe uh briefly

2520
01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:20,159
when you were on

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01:35:25,270 --> 01:35:21,840
uh before

2522
01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:25,280
back in december 2014 but this one comes

2523
01:35:27,830 --> 01:35:26,400
from martic

2524
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:27,840
who's been a poster at

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01:35:31,270 --> 01:35:29,920
forum.paracast.com

2526
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:31,280
where you can

2527
01:35:36,790 --> 01:35:33,840
post your questions for our guests um

2528
01:35:39,189 --> 01:35:36,800
he's been on since 2008

2529
01:35:40,950 --> 01:35:39,199
he's one of our longtime posters chris

2530
01:35:42,470 --> 01:35:40,960
we'll let him take a rescuer if he keeps

2531
01:35:43,669 --> 01:35:42,480
it up go ahead

2532
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:43,679
let's talk about connecticut's

2533
01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:46,560
skinwalker ranch

2534
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:48,960
he's quoting you i think here the place

2535
01:35:53,110 --> 01:35:50,880
seems to be a genuine crossroads of the

2536
01:35:54,550 --> 01:35:53,120
multiverse the resident family which has

2537
01:35:56,790 --> 01:35:54,560
lived in the house for generations

2538
01:35:58,310 --> 01:35:56,800
regularly seems to rub elbows not only

2539
01:36:01,110 --> 01:35:58,320
with its own ancestors but with

2540
01:36:02,870 --> 01:36:01,120
strangers of human and non-human species

2541
01:36:04,390 --> 01:36:02,880
all evidently sharing the same physical

2542
01:36:05,430 --> 01:36:04,400
space but within their own parallel

2543
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:05,440
worlds

2544
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:08,880
the ufo component became evident in 2009

2545
01:36:12,070 --> 01:36:10,719
as did a military presence in the area

2546
01:36:14,629 --> 01:36:12,080
that caused considerable local

2547
01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:14,639
speculation to the present day frequent

2548
01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:17,360
ufos and military air traffic are seen

2549
01:36:21,590 --> 01:36:19,679
in this out of the way rural area now i

2550
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:21,600
remember you mentioned this before but

2551
01:36:26,390 --> 01:36:24,159
do you want to give us a quick

2552
01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:26,400
background on the case and then possibly

2553
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:28,400
any updates that you might have

2554
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:31,040
uh yeah sure chris there was uh we were

2555
01:36:37,110 --> 01:36:34,639
contacted by uh the woman who uh grew up

2556
01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:37,120
in the house and this is a 1793

2557
01:36:41,110 --> 01:36:39,040
farmhouse in which six generations of

2558
01:36:43,110 --> 01:36:41,120
the same family have lived pretty i

2559
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:43,120
think that's pretty cool and she herself

2560
01:36:46,950 --> 01:36:45,360
had lived in the house for 62 years when

2561
01:36:48,310 --> 01:36:46,960
she contacted us

2562
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:48,320
and said that

2563
01:36:53,590 --> 01:36:51,600
she had read my 2006 book faces at the

2564
01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:53,600
wind of 2002 book rather faces out the

2565
01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:55,600
window i should say footsteps in the

2566
01:36:58,550 --> 01:36:57,760
attic i can't get my own book straight

2567
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:58,560
which

2568
01:37:02,149 --> 01:37:00,960
suggests this multiverse idea as an

2569
01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:02,159
explanation from any paranormal

2570
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:04,000
phenomena because she said the goofy

2571
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:05,520
things that were happening in the house

2572
01:37:08,629 --> 01:37:07,040
just had

2573
01:37:10,629 --> 01:37:08,639
no equivalent than anything else she'd

2574
01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:10,639
read and that this multiverse thing was

2575
01:37:16,149 --> 01:37:12,800
probably the best explanation she had

2576
01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:16,159
for example uh horses galloping up and

2577
01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:17,440
down the hallway you couldn't see them

2578
01:37:21,189 --> 01:37:18,880
but you could hear them people would get

2579
01:37:23,189 --> 01:37:21,199
out of the way i myself had a couple of

2580
01:37:25,750 --> 01:37:23,199
horse experiences there

2581
01:37:27,669 --> 01:37:25,760
and the the uh the

2582
01:37:29,030 --> 01:37:27,679
legs hanging from the living room

2583
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:29,040
ceiling when the family was sitting

2584
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:30,960
there walking as if on a surface that

2585
01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:33,119
wasn't present in our world

2586
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:34,480
things things that really don't have any

2587
01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:36,480
names so these boxy

2588
01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:38,320
structures kind of dancing by the

2589
01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:39,760
windows outside

2590
01:37:44,470 --> 01:37:41,280
funny little shadows running around the

2591
01:37:45,990 --> 01:37:44,480
house and you know it could go on and on

2592
01:37:48,229 --> 01:37:46,000
this was um

2593
01:37:51,109 --> 01:37:48,239
something that we we do is we look

2594
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:51,119
beyond uh one particular house or one

2595
01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:53,520
particular piece of property even and

2596
01:37:57,270 --> 01:37:54,880
inevitably

2597
01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:57,280
uh you will find to one degree or

2598
01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:58,320
another

2599
01:38:01,830 --> 01:38:00,080
that the neighbors are having problems

2600
01:38:03,590 --> 01:38:01,840
if you can talk to them in this case we

2601
01:38:06,629 --> 01:38:03,600
were able to some

2602
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:06,639
and uh there the house right down the

2603
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:09,520
road and across the road uh vietnam vet

2604
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:11,360
very uh you know rugged kind of guy not

2605
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:13,920
afraid of anything except his house uh

2606
01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:15,600
he would neither he and his wife would

2607
01:38:18,629 --> 01:38:17,600
be in the house alone at any point

2608
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:18,639
because of the weird things that would

2609
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:19,760
happen there

2610
01:38:25,270 --> 01:38:22,080
uh that we found that the whole area was

2611
01:38:27,590 --> 01:38:25,280
experiencing a spike in ufo sightings uh

2612
01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:27,600
bigfoot sightings even it's 100 miles

2613
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:28,880
from new york city

2614
01:38:33,189 --> 01:38:31,440
and what essentially we believed was

2615
01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:33,199
happening was that you've got when you

2616
01:38:36,390 --> 01:38:35,040
have multiversal intersex and you've got

2617
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:36,400
different worlds

2618
01:38:40,149 --> 01:38:38,880
in large numbers intersecting you're

2619
01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:40,159
going to have

2620
01:38:44,709 --> 01:38:42,880
uh not just ghostly phenomena you're

2621
01:38:47,270 --> 01:38:44,719
going to have things that people are

2622
01:38:49,430 --> 01:38:47,280
interpreted as ufos people things people

2623
01:38:50,709 --> 01:38:49,440
interpret as bigfoot uh these other

2624
01:38:53,830 --> 01:38:50,719
weird creatures that don't have any

2625
01:38:55,990 --> 01:38:53,840
names all happening in the same area

2626
01:38:58,070 --> 01:38:56,000
the area has from a

2627
01:39:00,790 --> 01:38:58,080
central triangle if you will of about

2628
01:39:03,669 --> 01:39:00,800
five square miles it's expanded to about

2629
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:03,679
220 square miles uh in our research over

2630
01:39:09,910 --> 01:39:06,159
the years uh the military showed up at

2631
01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:09,920
2009 and we traced them to a very

2632
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:13,280
strange farm about five miles or

2633
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:14,560
actually just really just a few miles

2634
01:39:18,149 --> 01:39:16,400
from this original house

2635
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:18,159
and there's evidence of underground

2636
01:39:23,590 --> 01:39:21,040
activity uh the the barn was torn down

2637
01:39:26,229 --> 01:39:23,600
the central barn a dairy type place

2638
01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:26,239
no cows no farming going on uh there's

2639
01:39:30,950 --> 01:39:28,719
two silos remained a huge metal sheet

2640
01:39:32,550 --> 01:39:30,960
appeared there in 20 in 2013 they could

2641
01:39:34,149 --> 01:39:32,560
only be seen from the air

2642
01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:34,159
brand new building farm buildings have

2643
01:39:37,590 --> 01:39:36,320
been put up nobody sees this happening

2644
01:39:39,270 --> 01:39:37,600
and we we have

2645
01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:39,280
our show has reporters and we have a

2646
01:39:42,070 --> 01:39:40,960
network of for lack of a better term

2647
01:39:43,669 --> 01:39:42,080
spies

2648
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:43,679
who don't know each other who feed us

2649
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:45,760
information from these different places

2650
01:39:49,990 --> 01:39:47,920
and um anyway like a long story short

2651
01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:50,000
are there still fluky things going on in

2652
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:52,480
the area uh there is evidence of public

2653
01:39:56,629 --> 01:39:55,280
behavioral changes and part of our gay

2654
01:39:58,070 --> 01:39:56,639
one of our gang is a behavioral

2655
01:39:59,350 --> 01:39:58,080
scientist in new york city and she kind

2656
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:59,360
of is going to be taking a look at some

2657
01:40:01,669 --> 01:40:00,320
of this

2658
01:40:04,149 --> 01:40:01,679
um the

2659
01:40:06,870 --> 01:40:04,159
people began driving on

2660
01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:06,880
the wrong side of the road in numbers

2661
01:40:11,030 --> 01:40:09,360
way beyond statistical probability uh

2662
01:40:12,790 --> 01:40:11,040
when that was noticed in the course

2663
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:12,800
accidents resulted when that was noticed

2664
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:15,280
in the local press and social media uh

2665
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:16,480
it stopped

2666
01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:18,560
when did this happen this is pretty much

2667
01:40:22,629 --> 01:40:20,639
09 and 10.

2668
01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:22,639
uh so again this is your classic

2669
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:24,400
flatberry we call it connecticut

2670
01:40:28,310 --> 01:40:26,000
skinwalker ranch because we've never

2671
01:40:30,070 --> 01:40:28,320
been able to get near the one in utah

2672
01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:30,080
for some reason uh but you know who

2673
01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:31,040
needs it when you've got one in

2674
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:33,440
connecticut that's just sort of like

2675
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:35,280
yeah litchfield county of all places i

2676
01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:37,199
mean what are the odds

2677
01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:39,760
oh exactly the area has a long history

2678
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:41,199
of strange things but i mean when you've

2679
01:40:45,189 --> 01:40:43,280
got bigfoot and all this stuff and we've

2680
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:45,199
seen things ourselves that i never would

2681
01:40:50,229 --> 01:40:48,000
have believed um there and again it's

2682
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:50,239
it's still we're still working on it at

2683
01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:51,920
the southern end of this uh you have

2684
01:40:55,030 --> 01:40:53,360
some negative things that's where the

2685
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:55,040
sandy hook school massacre occurred in

2686
01:40:59,910 --> 01:40:57,760
2012 right i'm sorry to say uh but that

2687
01:41:01,669 --> 01:40:59,920
but you know maybe be connected maybe

2688
01:41:02,950 --> 01:41:01,679
not but um

2689
01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:02,960
there were a lot of a lot of strange

2690
01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:04,320
things going on there we're working on

2691
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:06,960
one now in pennsylvania because rentals

2692
01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:09,199
from forest in england and and the this

2693
01:41:12,870 --> 01:41:10,880
is i think you have to approach an

2694
01:41:15,189 --> 01:41:12,880
entire area in order to begin to

2695
01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:15,199
understand the uh the machinations of

2696
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:17,520
the various uh intersects that may be

2697
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:19,199
going on that's our point of view anyway

2698
01:41:23,910 --> 01:41:21,840
but the military always shows up

2699
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:23,920
yeah it's it's part of my my my little

2700
01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:25,840
formula i came up with uh on how to

2701
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:28,000
identify a hot spot area and one of the

2702
01:41:32,310 --> 01:41:29,760
main components is the government and

2703
01:41:34,470 --> 01:41:32,320
military tends to have a presence uh

2704
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:34,480
yeah almost constantly and is trying to

2705
01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:36,880
expand that presence which is something

2706
01:41:42,070 --> 01:41:40,000
that seems like the military you know

2707
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:42,080
i mean i'm a veteran and i had a

2708
01:41:45,350 --> 01:41:43,760
clearance it really wasn't very high but

2709
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:45,360
i you know

2710
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:46,960
spying on cubans and stuff from

2711
01:41:51,189 --> 01:41:49,360
helicopters and all but i mean i kind of

2712
01:41:52,709 --> 01:41:51,199
that was a very long time ago but you

2713
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:52,719
know there are certain principles in the

2714
01:41:55,030 --> 01:41:54,239
intelligence community about how things

2715
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:55,040
work

2716
01:41:58,149 --> 01:41:57,119
and um it just

2717
01:41:59,990 --> 01:41:58,159
i don't know

2718
01:42:01,669 --> 01:42:00,000
everything's funny about this this

2719
01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:01,679
presence and maybe the military it might

2720
01:42:05,830 --> 01:42:03,840
not be i don't know

2721
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:05,840
well i have a question here from uh han

2722
01:42:10,070 --> 01:42:08,320
which uh talks about your area there in

2723
01:42:11,830 --> 01:42:10,080
uh in new england

2724
01:42:15,270 --> 01:42:11,840
and he's wondering uh what kind of

2725
01:42:17,030 --> 01:42:15,280
creature do you think bigfoot is um

2726
01:42:18,709 --> 01:42:17,040
well actually let me go to the second

2727
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:18,719
question we'll go back to that one have

2728
01:42:23,189 --> 01:42:20,719
you heard of a que of a creature a bit

2729
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:23,199
like a werewolf or devil dog

2730
01:42:28,070 --> 01:42:25,520
called a canuck or a canuck

2731
01:42:31,750 --> 01:42:28,080
k-n-a-n

2732
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:31,760
u k e or he spells it c a n o ok

2733
01:42:36,310 --> 01:42:34,080
that has been reported in new england um

2734
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:36,320
i believe he i read about this on a

2735
01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:38,960
website that is no longer online so the

2736
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:41,280
spelling may be wrong

2737
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:43,440
um if he recalls correctly he thinks the

2738
01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:45,840
report started early on maybe in the

2739
01:42:51,350 --> 01:42:49,360
17th or late 17th or early 18th century

2740
01:42:54,149 --> 01:42:51,360
now canuck that sounds something a

2741
01:42:55,750 --> 01:42:54,159
little bit more northern in western but

2742
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:55,760
does this ring a bell kind of like a

2743
01:43:00,149 --> 01:42:57,600
jersey devil dog type thing up there in

2744
01:43:01,350 --> 01:43:00,159
new england yeah actually it does i

2745
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:01,360
haven't researched it personally but

2746
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:03,360
we've heard smatterings of reports from

2747
01:43:09,270 --> 01:43:05,920
northern vermont new hampshire and maine

2748
01:43:10,950 --> 01:43:09,280
as you say up toward quebec you know

2749
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:10,960
and there is some

2750
01:43:14,470 --> 01:43:13,119
um speculation that that it may be

2751
01:43:16,149 --> 01:43:14,480
associated with you know some of the

2752
01:43:18,310 --> 01:43:16,159
wendigo legends

2753
01:43:21,350 --> 01:43:18,320
that the natives had that kind of thing

2754
01:43:23,830 --> 01:43:21,360
uh but the the idea of canine cryptids

2755
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:23,840
as they're called uh is something we're

2756
01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:25,199
looking at because we're working on a

2757
01:43:29,109 --> 01:43:26,639
book we want to have it

2758
01:43:31,189 --> 01:43:29,119
out by june on uh it's called behind the

2759
01:43:33,189 --> 01:43:31,199
paranormal uh bigfoot

2760
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:33,199
mothman and monsters you never heard i

2761
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:34,880
would aim more or less at young people

2762
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:36,880
and uh we're going to be talking

2763
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:38,800
probably a little bit about that and

2764
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:40,400
we'll see we're still trying to get it

2765
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:42,560
together but uh we haven't got much time

2766
01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:45,280
but yeah but yeah i have heard of that

2767
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:48,080
uh new england has a lot of um cryptid

2768
01:43:53,189 --> 01:43:51,280
sightings for a place this size uh rhode

2769
01:43:55,270 --> 01:43:53,199
island for example which is only 48

2770
01:43:56,790 --> 01:43:55,280
miles long and 37 miles wide i mean it's

2771
01:43:58,709 --> 01:43:56,800
ridiculous it's the standard of

2772
01:44:00,950 --> 01:43:58,719
measurement for any iceberg

2773
01:44:03,669 --> 01:44:00,960
uh encountered by the coast guard

2774
01:44:05,430 --> 01:44:03,679
and uh well definitely the the smallest

2775
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:05,440
continental uh

2776
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:07,920
state in the united political unit yeah

2777
01:44:10,709 --> 01:44:09,600
so but but i i know people in the

2778
01:44:12,629 --> 01:44:10,719
national because everybody here knows

2779
01:44:14,149 --> 01:44:12,639
everybody else uh in the national guard

2780
01:44:16,229 --> 01:44:14,159
who swear they've been close enough to

2781
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:16,239
bigfoot to throw a rock at it in the

2782
01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:18,239
what's known as the great great swamp

2783
01:44:22,470 --> 01:44:20,800
management area in southern rhode island

2784
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:22,480
uh with and a lot of rhode island

2785
01:44:25,030 --> 01:44:23,920
western and southern rhode island is

2786
01:44:26,470 --> 01:44:25,040
very rural

2787
01:44:27,830 --> 01:44:26,480
uh most of the development is around

2788
01:44:29,189 --> 01:44:27,840
providence narragansett bay and up

2789
01:44:31,189 --> 01:44:29,199
through the blackstone valley so there's

2790
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:31,199
a lot of rural areas and a lot of very

2791
01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:32,880
strange bigfoot sighting including an

2792
01:44:36,709 --> 01:44:35,440
albino bigfoot sighting within 10 miles

2793
01:44:38,229 --> 01:44:36,719
of where i live

2794
01:44:39,270 --> 01:44:38,239
a long time ago but it was you know

2795
01:44:41,350 --> 01:44:39,280
within

2796
01:44:42,550 --> 01:44:41,360
you know the last 30 years

2797
01:44:44,870 --> 01:44:42,560
so um

2798
01:44:46,709 --> 01:44:44,880
again evidence of you know how how does

2799
01:44:49,189 --> 01:44:46,719
a developed area and we're looking at

2800
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:49,199
this in the western pennsylvania case

2801
01:44:54,550 --> 01:44:51,360
support a population

2802
01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:54,560
of any large creature presumably a

2803
01:44:58,629 --> 01:44:56,880
mammal and the question is it either

2804
01:45:00,470 --> 01:44:58,639
can't or there's nowhere for them to go

2805
01:45:02,149 --> 01:45:00,480
hence the idea that they

2806
01:45:03,750 --> 01:45:02,159
come and go across the boundaries of

2807
01:45:05,510 --> 01:45:03,760
parallel realities

2808
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:05,520
and very often when the natives the

2809
01:45:08,390 --> 01:45:07,199
people you talk to encrypted research

2810
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:08,400
are hunters

2811
01:45:11,590 --> 01:45:10,320
and the natives is there are any because

2812
01:45:13,270 --> 01:45:11,600
they see everything especially the

2813
01:45:15,030 --> 01:45:13,280
hunters and the natives have all the

2814
01:45:17,669 --> 01:45:15,040
background the historical background of

2815
01:45:19,750 --> 01:45:17,679
tradition and tradition is

2816
01:45:22,470 --> 01:45:19,760
something to be listened to

2817
01:45:24,629 --> 01:45:22,480
let's pursue this in more detail in our

2818
01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:24,639
next segment with paul eno

2819
01:45:27,669 --> 01:45:26,639
behind the paranormal everything you

2820
01:45:39,030 --> 01:45:27,679
know

2821
01:45:43,590 --> 01:45:40,149
[Applause]

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2870
01:47:59,350 --> 01:47:57,189
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2871
01:48:01,109 --> 01:47:59,360
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2872
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2873
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2876
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:16,639
all right chris has now entered earth 46

2877
01:48:19,910 --> 01:48:18,480
and he's trying to explore the

2878
01:48:22,629 --> 01:48:19,920
multiverse and he'll give us a report

2879
01:48:25,109 --> 01:48:22,639
when he gets back it's led me on to uh

2880
01:48:26,390 --> 01:48:25,119
johann's next question which is

2881
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:26,400
what kind of creature do you think

2882
01:48:30,830 --> 01:48:29,280
bigfoot is paul is it a mundane primate

2883
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:30,840
you know some sort of uh you know

2884
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:33,679
undefined or or um

2885
01:48:38,470 --> 01:48:36,560
unacknowledged flesh and blood crypto

2886
01:48:40,709 --> 01:48:38,480
primate type creature or is it something

2887
01:48:42,950 --> 01:48:40,719
paranormal or is it both well it may be

2888
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:42,960
all of those things chris at the same

2889
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:43,920
time

2890
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:45,360
yeah well the natives will tell you

2891
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:47,280
they're shape-shifters which cannot in

2892
01:48:51,270 --> 01:48:49,040
their lingo can also mean they're coming

2893
01:48:53,350 --> 01:48:51,280
and going from parallel worlds the terms

2894
01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:53,360
we might use they might be flesh and

2895
01:48:57,510 --> 01:48:54,960
blood creatures but they just come and

2896
01:48:58,470 --> 01:48:57,520
grow across brains the ra nes as we've

2897
01:49:01,189 --> 01:48:58,480
been saying

2898
01:49:03,189 --> 01:49:01,199
the best example i can use is my own

2899
01:49:05,830 --> 01:49:03,199
what i believe was my own bigfoot

2900
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:05,840
sighting last september okay

2901
01:49:11,270 --> 01:49:08,960
we were in this pennsylvania area i

2902
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:11,280
was working with shane searway who was a

2903
01:49:14,310 --> 01:49:12,480
very uh

2904
01:49:16,229 --> 01:49:14,320
feet on the ground investigator and a

2905
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:16,239
blackfoot shaman a very good combination

2906
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:17,280
you should have them on your show if you

2907
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:19,679
haven't already and i was up uh the

2908
01:49:24,149 --> 01:49:22,239
field in my truck uh looking for strange

2909
01:49:26,070 --> 01:49:24,159
lights that we had had some photographs

2910
01:49:28,709 --> 01:49:26,080
of from our previous expedition out

2911
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:28,719
there uh several months before and you

2912
01:49:31,830 --> 01:49:30,000
know people who have paranormal

2913
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:31,840
experiences will often comment on how

2914
01:49:36,950 --> 01:49:34,400
unexpected they are so i'm expecting

2915
01:49:39,109 --> 01:49:36,960
lights and yet off to my right through

2916
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:39,119
the truck window i i saw a brilliant

2917
01:49:46,470 --> 01:49:42,400
moonlit night september 16 2016.

2918
01:49:48,629 --> 01:49:46,480
a huge creature in the moonlight big i

2919
01:49:50,149 --> 01:49:48,639
remember the big hairy legs two of them

2920
01:49:51,669 --> 01:49:50,159
moving up and down

2921
01:49:53,990 --> 01:49:51,679
the head bowed

2922
01:49:55,590 --> 01:49:54,000
as if looking for something in the grass

2923
01:49:57,109 --> 01:49:55,600
i snapped a picture of my infrared

2924
01:49:58,310 --> 01:49:57,119
camera through the cold truck window

2925
01:50:00,950 --> 01:49:58,320
naturally and all hate the heat

2926
01:50:03,030 --> 01:50:00,960
signature i got nothing so i i got out

2927
01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:03,040
and uh closest i've ever come to divorce

2928
01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:05,760
my wife called at that very moment and

2929
01:50:08,870 --> 01:50:07,280
i'm i was a little new to the bigfoot

2930
01:50:10,790 --> 01:50:08,880
thing so i like a dope i should have

2931
01:50:12,950 --> 01:50:10,800
shut the phone off and all this but i

2932
01:50:14,709 --> 01:50:12,960
believe that i had a sighting of my own

2933
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:14,719
that was corroborated the next night at

2934
01:50:18,790 --> 01:50:16,400
a neighborhood meeting we had of the

2935
01:50:20,629 --> 01:50:18,800
people who live in this area uh over 20

2936
01:50:22,070 --> 01:50:20,639
people showed up all all with their

2937
01:50:24,149 --> 01:50:22,080
their experiences some of them have

2938
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:24,159
stuff going on in their houses all of

2939
01:50:30,149 --> 01:50:26,639
them have had bigfoot experiences or the

2940
01:50:32,149 --> 01:50:30,159
woman who lived over the hill i i saw

2941
01:50:34,470 --> 01:50:32,159
lights going up into a tree like a

2942
01:50:35,910 --> 01:50:34,480
flashlight not anything really strange

2943
01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:35,920
at the neighborhood meeting she put her

2944
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:38,320
hand up so that was me my daughter and i

2945
01:50:41,510 --> 01:50:39,920
heard something big moving through the

2946
01:50:42,950 --> 01:50:41,520
field and we went up

2947
01:50:44,709 --> 01:50:42,960
to see what it was because they're used

2948
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:44,719
to this stuff if that's what it appears

2949
01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:45,840
to be

2950
01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:47,280
i was seeing this while they were

2951
01:50:51,830 --> 01:50:49,920
hearing it but then it was gone just

2952
01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:51,840
gone people will say they'll sometimes

2953
01:50:56,070 --> 01:50:53,840
appear right in front of you disappear

2954
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:56,080
or move and then then they disappear so

2955
01:51:00,390 --> 01:50:58,320
i mean i think we may be dealing with um

2956
01:51:02,950 --> 01:51:00,400
and they themselves talk about uh

2957
01:51:05,350 --> 01:51:02,960
boundaries in this area uh they even

2958
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:05,360
have uh some of the people on their

2959
01:51:08,709 --> 01:51:06,480
property have

2960
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:08,719
like a pathway laid out

2961
01:51:13,030 --> 01:51:10,719
in um like

2962
01:51:15,109 --> 01:51:13,040
logs or something and and rocks and say

2963
01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:15,119
well this is where you go to the the

2964
01:51:18,390 --> 01:51:17,440
intersect point or the portal as they'll

2965
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:18,400
call it

2966
01:51:21,510 --> 01:51:19,920
so this has been going on for so long

2967
01:51:23,430 --> 01:51:21,520
there and we just got involved last year

2968
01:51:24,790 --> 01:51:23,440
and that was my bigfoot sighting so i

2969
01:51:26,790 --> 01:51:24,800
have no doubt it was a flesh and blood

2970
01:51:29,590 --> 01:51:26,800
creature because it was reflecting light

2971
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:29,600
you could see the fur uh but it um

2972
01:51:32,229 --> 01:51:30,800
disappeared

2973
01:51:33,590 --> 01:51:32,239
almost immediately as soon as i got out

2974
01:51:35,189 --> 01:51:33,600
of the truck there's nowhere really

2975
01:51:37,510 --> 01:51:35,199
could have gone and then the next day we

2976
01:51:39,589 --> 01:51:37,520
found physical marks of something large

2977
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:39,599
having passed there on two legs turning

2978
01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:41,199
around and going back probably when i

2979
01:51:45,589 --> 01:51:43,440
heard the steam from lord of the rings

2980
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:45,599
which is my ringtone

2981
01:51:50,149 --> 01:51:48,560
and down it went and uh i think that uh

2982
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:50,159
all of the above may be true as far as

2983
01:51:54,709 --> 01:51:51,840
what bigfoot actually is

2984
01:51:57,350 --> 01:51:54,719
so the answer to what is bigfoot is yes

2985
01:51:58,870 --> 01:51:57,360
yeah i think so probably all of those

2986
01:52:00,470 --> 01:51:58,880
things but i think it is a multiversal

2987
01:52:02,310 --> 01:52:00,480
creature able to come and go otherwise

2988
01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:02,320
where where did they go where did they

2989
01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:03,199
breed

2990
01:52:07,750 --> 01:52:05,520
how can like an area like that support

2991
01:52:09,109 --> 01:52:07,760
such a population from all the reports

2992
01:52:11,189 --> 01:52:09,119
that you have i think it's they're

2993
01:52:12,790 --> 01:52:11,199
multiversal creatures they come and go

2994
01:52:15,430 --> 01:52:12,800
you know when we're talking about the

2995
01:52:16,390 --> 01:52:15,440
multiverse and people going from one to

2996
01:52:18,790 --> 01:52:16,400
the other

2997
01:52:19,830 --> 01:52:18,800
are there do you think portals around

2998
01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:19,840
the world

2999
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:21,840
where someone can

3000
01:52:26,229 --> 01:52:23,920
accidentally end up in

3001
01:52:28,229 --> 01:52:26,239
another reality either permanent or

3002
01:52:30,390 --> 01:52:28,239
temporary i think they might be on the

3003
01:52:31,910 --> 01:52:30,400
right track uh actually in australia we

3004
01:52:33,189 --> 01:52:31,920
had people write to our show saying

3005
01:52:34,950 --> 01:52:33,199
retired couple saying they were seeing

3006
01:52:35,830 --> 01:52:34,960
dinosaurs out their kitchen window so

3007
01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:35,840
yeah

3008
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:38,400
uh i think that that may be something

3009
01:52:42,709 --> 01:52:41,040
like the truth uh but again we like to

3010
01:52:44,870 --> 01:52:42,719
more or less refer to them as uh

3011
01:52:47,430 --> 01:52:44,880
intersect points portals i guess that's

3012
01:52:50,390 --> 01:52:47,440
as good a term as any but the here's the

3013
01:52:52,390 --> 01:52:50,400
thing gene they they tend to move

3014
01:52:54,229 --> 01:52:52,400
one of the ways you can see that is if

3015
01:52:56,709 --> 01:52:54,239
you go to some of the stone circles in

3016
01:52:59,189 --> 01:52:56,719
the old world particularly england

3017
01:53:01,589 --> 01:52:59,199
portugal uh france places of this kind

3018
01:53:03,270 --> 01:53:01,599
of uk uh and you'll see that uh some of

3019
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:03,280
them are still energized and some of

3020
01:53:07,510 --> 01:53:05,520
them are not i remember this i was in

3021
01:53:10,229 --> 01:53:07,520
the standing in 1989 i was standing in

3022
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:10,239
the score hill stone circle

3023
01:53:14,629 --> 01:53:11,360
in devon

3024
01:53:16,709 --> 01:53:14,639
and uh i looked up and it was a march

3025
01:53:18,390 --> 01:53:16,719
dreary day i happened to like that kind

3026
01:53:19,350 --> 01:53:18,400
of weather but it was austere and kind

3027
01:53:21,350 --> 01:53:19,360
of chilly

3028
01:53:23,430 --> 01:53:21,360
not the sort of day people would be out

3029
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:23,440
recreating riding horses whatever and up

3030
01:53:27,430 --> 01:53:25,199
by one of the tours

3031
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:27,440
they call them tours rock outcroppings

3032
01:53:31,109 --> 01:53:30,000
on the moors out there there was a line

3033
01:53:33,830 --> 01:53:31,119
of people

3034
01:53:36,229 --> 01:53:33,840
one or two on horseback others walking

3035
01:53:37,910 --> 01:53:36,239
and i'd say probably no more than eighth

3036
01:53:39,109 --> 01:53:37,920
of a mile away

3037
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:39,119
and they didn't look like they were

3038
01:53:44,550 --> 01:53:42,000
dressed all that correctly for the the

3039
01:53:46,709 --> 01:53:44,560
time or the or the season or the year

3040
01:53:48,709 --> 01:53:46,719
i turned around to lift my camera to

3041
01:53:50,470 --> 01:53:48,719
take a picture and they were gone you

3042
01:53:52,229 --> 01:53:50,480
know they could have gone down the slope

3043
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:52,239
i suppose but not not that quickly so i

3044
01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:54,480
don't know what that really was within

3045
01:53:58,709 --> 01:53:56,400
the score hillstone circle

3046
01:54:00,550 --> 01:53:58,719
uh there was still an energy center and

3047
01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:00,560
you could not take a

3048
01:54:05,669 --> 01:54:03,520
a picture that was uh in focus

3049
01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:05,679
that's not uncommon but also people

3050
01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:07,280
would report different stones at

3051
01:54:09,990 --> 01:54:08,560
different times that walk into the

3052
01:54:12,470 --> 01:54:10,000
circle there'd be a stone that they

3053
01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:12,480
hadn't seen before even local people and

3054
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:14,560
people would report sometimes

3055
01:54:18,070 --> 01:54:16,320
they would call them visions

3056
01:54:19,830 --> 01:54:18,080
of other people and this sort of thing

3057
01:54:22,790 --> 01:54:19,840
maybe something like to happen to me if

3058
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:22,800
that was paranormal i suspect it was

3059
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:24,560
but other circles are completely dead

3060
01:54:29,430 --> 01:54:26,880
because the intersect points or portals

3061
01:54:31,910 --> 01:54:29,440
of you will have moved and these because

3062
01:54:34,550 --> 01:54:31,920
you know the earth is a is a living

3063
01:54:36,950 --> 01:54:34,560
magnetic system really that is

3064
01:54:38,629 --> 01:54:36,960
constantly changing and uh i think that

3065
01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:38,639
might be why these things move that's

3066
01:54:41,830 --> 01:54:40,320
another long answer or a short question

3067
01:54:43,750 --> 01:54:41,840
but yeah i think there are

3068
01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:43,760
different points here that they can open

3069
01:54:48,870 --> 01:54:46,080
they can close they can move and again

3070
01:54:51,830 --> 01:54:48,880
it's a rather active and interactive

3071
01:54:55,030 --> 01:54:51,840
system does that explain flying saucers

3072
01:54:56,149 --> 01:54:55,040
winking in and out yeah probably one of

3073
01:54:58,790 --> 01:54:56,159
one of the big stories from the

3074
01:54:59,910 --> 01:54:58,800
skidwalker ranch area as they described

3075
01:55:02,790 --> 01:54:59,920
that anyway this is supposed to be

3076
01:55:04,629 --> 01:55:02,800
scientists holes would open in the sky

3077
01:55:06,149 --> 01:55:04,639
and ufos would come through holes would

3078
01:55:07,589 --> 01:55:06,159
open in the air

3079
01:55:09,030 --> 01:55:07,599
and creatures they didn't have any names

3080
01:55:11,270 --> 01:55:09,040
for would come and go and this sort of

3081
01:55:12,629 --> 01:55:11,280
thing and that's entirely plausible from

3082
01:55:14,790 --> 01:55:12,639
a lot of the things

3083
01:55:16,790 --> 01:55:14,800
that we've seen it's funny in in the

3084
01:55:19,350 --> 01:55:16,800
poltergeist cases particularly this one

3085
01:55:22,310 --> 01:55:19,360
in bridgeport in 74

3086
01:55:23,750 --> 01:55:22,320
it felt like there was a whole opening i

3087
01:55:27,030 --> 01:55:23,760
couldn't really see anything you could

3088
01:55:28,950 --> 01:55:27,040
see the glossy forms of the of the

3089
01:55:31,189 --> 01:55:28,960
parasites when they came out of

3090
01:55:32,870 --> 01:55:31,199
the room or the hole and it really

3091
01:55:34,229 --> 01:55:32,880
didn't feel like that they were coming

3092
01:55:36,149 --> 01:55:34,239
and going

3093
01:55:36,950 --> 01:55:36,159
from the little girls room

3094
01:55:38,070 --> 01:55:36,960
so

3095
01:55:39,350 --> 01:55:38,080
that uh

3096
01:55:41,189 --> 01:55:39,360
might be exactly what we're talking

3097
01:55:42,390 --> 01:55:41,199
about

3098
01:55:44,229 --> 01:55:42,400
um

3099
01:55:46,950 --> 01:55:44,239
i kind of think it'd be fun to be able

3100
01:55:48,470 --> 01:55:46,960
to do that yeah

3101
01:55:49,669 --> 01:55:48,480
i think we have a real

3102
01:55:51,750 --> 01:55:49,679
um

3103
01:55:53,750 --> 01:55:51,760
we've come to loggerheads we have a bit

3104
01:55:56,149 --> 01:55:53,760
of a conundrum here

3105
01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:56,159
i think the evidence as paul has

3106
01:56:01,270 --> 01:55:59,280
described as i have described from my

3107
01:56:03,350 --> 01:56:01,280
uh several decades of work out in the

3108
01:56:05,350 --> 01:56:03,360
field and as many of our guests here on

3109
01:56:06,870 --> 01:56:05,360
the paracast have described

3110
01:56:08,629 --> 01:56:06,880
we're talking about

3111
01:56:10,790 --> 01:56:08,639
systems of

3112
01:56:12,550 --> 01:56:10,800
let's put it this way we we have

3113
01:56:14,870 --> 01:56:12,560
you know a system of understanding and

3114
01:56:19,350 --> 01:56:14,880
knowledge scientifically

3115
01:56:21,510 --> 01:56:19,360
that does not allow for the kinds of

3116
01:56:24,629 --> 01:56:21,520
very good and i think

3117
01:56:26,229 --> 01:56:24,639
in your case uh highly esteemed

3118
01:56:28,149 --> 01:56:26,239
uh you know personal

3119
01:56:30,709 --> 01:56:28,159
observations of things that don't

3120
01:56:33,350 --> 01:56:30,719
conform to your standard scientific

3121
01:56:35,589 --> 01:56:33,360
model of reality

3122
01:56:37,830 --> 01:56:35,599
when we come back paul let's look at

3123
01:56:39,270 --> 01:56:37,840
what we need to do to establish the

3124
01:56:41,189 --> 01:56:39,280
validity

3125
01:56:44,149 --> 01:56:41,199
of these events

3126
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:44,159
so that we can somehow convince academia

3127
01:56:48,149 --> 01:56:47,360
convince uh the scientific community

3128
01:56:50,229 --> 01:56:48,159
that

3129
01:56:51,510 --> 01:56:50,239
you know

3130
01:56:53,030 --> 01:56:51,520
people

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01:56:54,229 --> 01:56:53,040
resources

3132
01:56:57,109 --> 01:56:54,239
and

3133
01:56:58,229 --> 01:56:57,119
some sort of motivation uh is marshalled

3134
01:57:03,109 --> 01:56:58,239
to

3135
01:57:04,629 --> 01:57:03,119
of these principles and i think we need

3136
01:57:06,790 --> 01:57:04,639
to get these

3137
01:57:08,229 --> 01:57:06,800
these uh academics and scientists out in

3138
01:57:10,070 --> 01:57:08,239
the field

3139
01:57:13,430 --> 01:57:10,080
i think the skimwalker ranch case for

3140
01:57:16,550 --> 01:57:13,440
instance in utah was an example of

3141
01:57:18,070 --> 01:57:16,560
of the woeful inadequacies of the the

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scientific

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paradigm and in their approach uh to

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trying to

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01:57:25,189 --> 01:57:23,840
really study these things in the field

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01:57:26,470 --> 01:57:25,199
and and when we come back i'd love to

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hear your

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your feelings your views uh your ideas

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suggestions on how we can bridge that

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3258
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02:02:10,709 --> 02:02:06,320
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3261
02:02:15,030 --> 02:02:12,470
so paul eno you've been given your

3262
02:02:18,149 --> 02:02:15,040
marching orders from chris o'brien

3263
02:02:20,310 --> 02:02:18,159
okay so now you have your assignment if

3264
02:02:24,310 --> 02:02:20,320
you don't take it you will self-destruct

3265
02:02:25,990 --> 02:02:24,320
or end up in earth 407. go ahead please

3266
02:02:28,470 --> 02:02:26,000
i don't have to worry about medicare

3267
02:02:30,310 --> 02:02:28,480
well i think gentlemen it's a very

3268
02:02:32,629 --> 02:02:30,320
difficult question you know what is the

3269
02:02:33,830 --> 02:02:32,639
answer to the narrow paradigm how do we

3270
02:02:35,910 --> 02:02:33,840
expand it

3271
02:02:38,310 --> 02:02:35,920
well i i'll say it again i think that

3272
02:02:40,310 --> 02:02:38,320
the the scientific method

3273
02:02:42,470 --> 02:02:40,320
is important you know in the

3274
02:02:44,390 --> 02:02:42,480
repeatability of scientific experiments

3275
02:02:46,950 --> 02:02:44,400
and findings and this sort of thing and

3276
02:02:49,109 --> 02:02:46,960
the ability to to prove theories uh et

3277
02:02:52,229 --> 02:02:49,119
cetera et cetera the discipline thinking

3278
02:02:54,629 --> 02:02:52,239
that is required uh the peer review and

3279
02:02:57,109 --> 02:02:54,639
again the repeatability to repeat that

3280
02:03:00,070 --> 02:02:57,119
another time is all very important

3281
02:03:02,149 --> 02:03:00,080
however it may be important but it it's

3282
02:03:03,990 --> 02:03:02,159
not good enough just as the old

3283
02:03:05,589 --> 02:03:04,000
explanations for ghosts etc i didn't

3284
02:03:08,149 --> 02:03:05,599
think we're good enough

3285
02:03:09,990 --> 02:03:08,159
so our science is not good enough

3286
02:03:12,790 --> 02:03:10,000
for explaining something that is really

3287
02:03:15,350 --> 02:03:12,800
outside of its purview

3288
02:03:17,189 --> 02:03:15,360
there are areas of hope though i'm

3289
02:03:19,350 --> 02:03:17,199
thinking in terms of transpersonal

3290
02:03:22,070 --> 02:03:19,360
psychology for example which is

3291
02:03:24,070 --> 02:03:22,080
relatively new but understanding that

3292
02:03:26,229 --> 02:03:24,080
psychology is never is not an exact

3293
02:03:28,709 --> 02:03:26,239
science it is it has a sort of grudging

3294
02:03:30,229 --> 02:03:28,719
respect from the other physical sciences

3295
02:03:32,149 --> 02:03:30,239
nevertheless it is beginning trans

3296
02:03:34,709 --> 02:03:32,159
personal transpersonal psychology is

3297
02:03:36,550 --> 02:03:34,719
beginning to uh recognize the presence

3298
02:03:39,270 --> 02:03:36,560
of and the significance of uh

3299
02:03:42,310 --> 02:03:39,280
spirituality say or

3300
02:03:43,189 --> 02:03:42,320
non-physical experiences the idea that

3301
02:03:45,910 --> 02:03:43,199
uh

3302
02:03:48,790 --> 02:03:45,920
consciousness may be non-local which an

3303
02:03:51,189 --> 02:03:48,800
idea that it gets from physics so again

3304
02:03:53,750 --> 02:03:51,199
i think of all the sciences uh hope may

3305
02:03:55,750 --> 02:03:53,760
rest uh for what we're talking about in

3306
02:03:57,270 --> 02:03:55,760
some of the fringe areas of physics the

3307
02:03:58,709 --> 02:03:57,280
physics of consciousness which is sort

3308
02:04:00,790 --> 02:03:58,719
of an outgrowth of

3309
02:04:02,550 --> 02:04:00,800
quantum physics uh talking about the

3310
02:04:05,589 --> 02:04:02,560
non-locality

3311
02:04:08,390 --> 02:04:05,599
of memory of knowledge getting a little

3312
02:04:09,990 --> 02:04:08,400
bit into the psychology of dr young what

3313
02:04:13,189 --> 02:04:10,000
you're almost suggesting here when we

3314
02:04:14,870 --> 02:04:13,199
talk about non-locality of consciousness

3315
02:04:15,990 --> 02:04:14,880
it's like we're all hooked into the

3316
02:04:18,149 --> 02:04:16,000
cloud

3317
02:04:19,430 --> 02:04:18,159
yeah yeah we in other words we're doing

3318
02:04:21,350 --> 02:04:19,440
that now

3319
02:04:22,790 --> 02:04:21,360
with our computers our mobile devices

3320
02:04:25,270 --> 02:04:22,800
they are all

3321
02:04:27,189 --> 02:04:25,280
online and interactive and we call it

3322
02:04:30,310 --> 02:04:27,199
the cloud which is a huge network of

3323
02:04:34,470 --> 02:04:30,320
servers and that is their memory

3324
02:04:37,109 --> 02:04:34,480
so if what we experience what we know

3325
02:04:38,870 --> 02:04:37,119
our consciousness that makes me me

3326
02:04:40,709 --> 02:04:38,880
for whatever that's worth

3327
02:04:42,629 --> 02:04:40,719
doesn't exist here in this place or what

3328
02:04:44,229 --> 02:04:42,639
i assume is this place but somewhere up

3329
02:04:47,510 --> 02:04:44,239
in the cloud

3330
02:04:50,470 --> 02:04:47,520
some amorphous cloud and we have a

3331
02:04:53,030 --> 02:04:50,480
vision of heaven we say heaven is this

3332
02:04:54,950 --> 02:04:53,040
place up there that we go after we die

3333
02:04:57,669 --> 02:04:54,960
and maybe we're talking about

3334
02:04:59,030 --> 02:04:57,679
some kind of manifestation

3335
02:05:00,629 --> 02:04:59,040
of the cloud

3336
02:05:03,510 --> 02:05:00,639
yeah i think that that's a really good

3337
02:05:05,510 --> 02:05:03,520
analogy for the what we're talking about

3338
02:05:07,669 --> 02:05:05,520
the cloud is very much like the

3339
02:05:10,070 --> 02:05:07,679
multiverse i suppose

3340
02:05:11,750 --> 02:05:10,080
and look how it has not that the cloud

3341
02:05:13,510 --> 02:05:11,760
itself but but the the entire internet

3342
02:05:14,790 --> 02:05:13,520
experience has changed human

3343
02:05:16,550 --> 02:05:14,800
consciousness

3344
02:05:18,070 --> 02:05:16,560
uh i'm told i don't know if this is

3345
02:05:20,550 --> 02:05:18,080
accurate that we

3346
02:05:21,830 --> 02:05:20,560
as individuals receive more information

3347
02:05:23,669 --> 02:05:21,840
in one day

3348
02:05:25,589 --> 02:05:23,679
than many people say 200 years ago

3349
02:05:27,189 --> 02:05:25,599
received in their whole lives you know

3350
02:05:30,070 --> 02:05:27,199
and i don't have any trouble believing

3351
02:05:32,790 --> 02:05:30,080
that the cloud perhaps as an analogy of

3352
02:05:34,709 --> 02:05:32,800
of the collective unconscious uh or is

3353
02:05:37,830 --> 02:05:34,719
the locality of this stuff we've been

3354
02:05:39,669 --> 02:05:37,840
talking about is perhaps very um apt the

3355
02:05:42,149 --> 02:05:39,679
multiverse operates on every level

3356
02:05:44,870 --> 02:05:42,159
physical spiritual levels we don't even

3357
02:05:46,550 --> 02:05:44,880
understand and this is why it's kind of

3358
02:05:49,510 --> 02:05:46,560
outside of science but but bolder

3359
02:05:51,350 --> 02:05:49,520
scientists are approaching new ways to

3360
02:05:53,750 --> 02:05:51,360
understand reality

3361
02:05:56,390 --> 02:05:53,760
by means of the multiverse and other

3362
02:05:58,149 --> 02:05:56,400
concepts but that you can't

3363
02:05:59,910 --> 02:05:58,159
repeat it necessarily you can't use the

3364
02:06:01,669 --> 02:05:59,920
scientific method to prove it so it's

3365
02:06:03,350 --> 02:06:01,679
it's meeting a roller

3366
02:06:04,950 --> 02:06:03,360
for mainstream science and another

3367
02:06:06,709 --> 02:06:04,960
problem i think with the the entire

3368
02:06:08,950 --> 02:06:06,719
approach of this is that the sciences

3369
02:06:12,070 --> 02:06:08,960
don't always talk to each other

3370
02:06:14,629 --> 02:06:12,080
we have the lady who is uh part of our

3371
02:06:16,870 --> 02:06:14,639
crew the behavioral scientist

3372
02:06:19,030 --> 02:06:16,880
who also doubles as the the casting

3373
02:06:20,950 --> 02:06:19,040
producer for our show

3374
02:06:22,550 --> 02:06:20,960
on the side she's an old friend of mine

3375
02:06:24,709 --> 02:06:22,560
you know brilliant person she has a

3376
02:06:26,310 --> 02:06:24,719
couple you know advanced degrees here

3377
02:06:28,390 --> 02:06:26,320
and there and just

3378
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:28,400
but had never was totally unfamiliar

3379
02:06:32,149 --> 02:06:30,560
with transpersonal psychology and this

3380
02:06:33,990 --> 02:06:32,159
is a behavioral scientist who works with

3381
02:06:35,350 --> 02:06:34,000
children and you think that would be

3382
02:06:37,589 --> 02:06:35,360
kind of important but i'm not

3383
02:06:39,189 --> 02:06:37,599
denigrating uh that particular science

3384
02:06:40,790 --> 02:06:39,199
but i think in general scientific

3385
02:06:42,629 --> 02:06:40,800
scientists very often don't

3386
02:06:44,709 --> 02:06:42,639
talk to each other there's not enough

3387
02:06:46,790 --> 02:06:44,719
interdisciplinary thinking

3388
02:06:49,109 --> 02:06:46,800
and that goes back to the idea of

3389
02:06:50,629 --> 02:06:49,119
western mind pigeonholing everything and

3390
02:06:51,830 --> 02:06:50,639
therefore getting an incomplete picture

3391
02:06:53,109 --> 02:06:51,840
so i think that's something we have to

3392
02:06:55,589 --> 02:06:53,119
work on is

3393
02:06:58,550 --> 02:06:55,599
talk to each other exchange knowledge

3394
02:06:59,910 --> 02:06:58,560
exchange experiences you know

3395
02:07:01,430 --> 02:06:59,920
you don't even see that among the

3396
02:07:03,350 --> 02:07:01,440
quote-unquote ghost hunters they don't

3397
02:07:04,870 --> 02:07:03,360
talk to each other either if they do

3398
02:07:06,709 --> 02:07:04,880
they're usually fighting

3399
02:07:09,030 --> 02:07:06,719
like i think live

3400
02:07:11,990 --> 02:07:09,040
in these little bubbles but they're just

3401
02:07:14,390 --> 02:07:12,000
basically advancing the existing theory

3402
02:07:16,310 --> 02:07:14,400
don't you think yes yeah precisely

3403
02:07:17,350 --> 02:07:16,320
precisely you put things better than i

3404
02:07:19,589 --> 02:07:17,360
could gene

3405
02:07:21,030 --> 02:07:19,599
well okay i'd like to receive a check

3406
02:07:23,589 --> 02:07:21,040
ladies and gentlemen

3407
02:07:25,270 --> 02:07:23,599
my check they'll come from the cloud

3408
02:07:26,870 --> 02:07:25,280
that's right they don't do existing

3409
02:07:28,870 --> 02:07:26,880
checks they just do

3410
02:07:29,750 --> 02:07:28,880
the ephemeral checks

3411
02:07:31,830 --> 02:07:29,760
right

3412
02:07:33,350 --> 02:07:31,840
well i'm having a hard time with the uh

3413
02:07:35,910 --> 02:07:33,360
the ghost hunting

3414
02:07:38,390 --> 02:07:35,920
scenario in in the whole community seems

3415
02:07:41,109 --> 02:07:38,400
to be i don't know sort of falling into

3416
02:07:43,510 --> 02:07:41,119
a place of cliche and

3417
02:07:44,950 --> 02:07:43,520
i don't know just the predictability

3418
02:07:46,709 --> 02:07:44,960
you know standing there in front of a

3419
02:07:49,030 --> 02:07:46,719
haunted house with your arms folded like

3420
02:07:50,229 --> 02:07:49,040
the the the big guys and pawn stars you

3421
02:07:52,069 --> 02:07:50,239
know

3422
02:07:54,709 --> 02:07:52,079
with this grim sort of

3423
02:07:56,790 --> 02:07:54,719
persona shaved heads at all

3424
02:07:59,189 --> 02:07:56,800
yeah with shaved heads or lots of

3425
02:08:01,270 --> 02:07:59,199
tattoos and uh piercings

3426
02:08:02,709 --> 02:08:01,280
which is okay you know i i have nothing

3427
02:08:03,669 --> 02:08:02,719
against that i think people if they want

3428
02:08:06,790 --> 02:08:03,679
to

3429
02:08:09,990 --> 02:08:06,800
decorate their bodies as as as kids

3430
02:08:12,709 --> 02:08:10,000
only to really regret it

3431
02:08:15,109 --> 02:08:12,719
decades later in life it's up to them

3432
02:08:16,149 --> 02:08:15,119
skin is scared of their ways yeah

3433
02:08:17,750 --> 02:08:16,159
but um

3434
02:08:19,750 --> 02:08:17,760
you know when you meet a guy with a with

3435
02:08:21,910 --> 02:08:19,760
a bolt sticking out of his lower lip and

3436
02:08:23,669 --> 02:08:21,920
his girlfriend has a nut with a without

3437
02:08:24,950 --> 02:08:23,679
with a big hole and they sit there and

3438
02:08:27,270 --> 02:08:24,960
they try to

3439
02:08:29,189 --> 02:08:27,280
screw the bolt into the nut

3440
02:08:31,830 --> 02:08:29,199
it's just it's just weird

3441
02:08:33,510 --> 02:08:31,840
anyway i digress um my response is

3442
02:08:35,750 --> 02:08:33,520
that's nuts

3443
02:08:37,430 --> 02:08:35,760
yeah well it's i see what you did there

3444
02:08:39,270 --> 02:08:37,440
i i would bolt from that kind of

3445
02:08:40,709 --> 02:08:39,280
relationship

3446
02:08:42,550 --> 02:08:40,719
bad jokes anyway of course the reason

3447
02:08:44,149 --> 02:08:42,560
we're doing this is because

3448
02:08:45,750 --> 02:08:44,159
speaking of jokes we're thinking here

3449
02:08:48,870 --> 02:08:45,760
about the fact that

3450
02:08:51,189 --> 02:08:48,880
don rickles died well the

3451
02:08:54,229 --> 02:08:51,199
famous insult comedians that i met a

3452
02:08:56,310 --> 02:08:54,239
couple of times believe it or not oh

3453
02:08:58,709 --> 02:08:56,320
he was just such a nice guy though

3454
02:09:00,790 --> 02:08:58,719
seriously he was a really nice guy and

3455
02:09:02,470 --> 02:09:00,800
that was a stick everybody loved him

3456
02:09:04,470 --> 02:09:02,480
that's how he got away with it

3457
02:09:05,910 --> 02:09:04,480
wow oh my

3458
02:09:08,229 --> 02:09:05,920
well i'll just have to start brushing

3459
02:09:10,550 --> 02:09:08,239
off my don rickles routines when i start

3460
02:09:12,709 --> 02:09:10,560
looking at you there gino i'll come up

3461
02:09:14,709 --> 02:09:12,719
with some zingers you you'll you'll see

3462
02:09:16,229 --> 02:09:14,719
you and which army

3463
02:09:19,030 --> 02:09:16,239
yeah well

3464
02:09:20,870 --> 02:09:19,040
anyway getting back to my point um

3465
02:09:23,350 --> 02:09:20,880
you know when it comes to ghost hunting

3466
02:09:26,149 --> 02:09:23,360
and and all this exposure that we're

3467
02:09:27,750 --> 02:09:26,159
seeing on tv with all these shows which

3468
02:09:30,229 --> 02:09:27,760
i never watch

3469
02:09:31,669 --> 02:09:30,239
i stopped watching ghost shows i think

3470
02:09:32,709 --> 02:09:31,679
the second or third season of ghost

3471
02:09:34,550 --> 02:09:32,719
hunters

3472
02:09:35,189 --> 02:09:34,560
before any of the other shows had come

3473
02:09:36,629 --> 02:09:35,199
out

3474
02:09:39,109 --> 02:09:36,639
mainly because i was upset that they

3475
02:09:40,390 --> 02:09:39,119
stole our way of presenting evp evidence

3476
02:09:42,390 --> 02:09:40,400
visually but

3477
02:09:45,669 --> 02:09:42,400
i digress um

3478
02:09:49,350 --> 02:09:45,679
where do we see this whole

3479
02:09:51,589 --> 02:09:49,360
weekender ghost hunter let's go out and

3480
02:09:52,950 --> 02:09:51,599
see if we can get spooked in the local

3481
02:09:54,950 --> 02:09:52,960
spook house

3482
02:09:57,669 --> 02:09:54,960
spooky house um

3483
02:09:59,669 --> 02:09:57,679
you know leave the the 12 pack outside

3484
02:10:01,830 --> 02:09:59,679
um

3485
02:10:04,149 --> 02:10:01,840
you know the f i i don't know i just see

3486
02:10:06,950 --> 02:10:04,159
it is is being becoming very weakened

3487
02:10:09,910 --> 02:10:06,960
warriorish and ungrounded and actually

3488
02:10:11,189 --> 02:10:09,920
doing potentially more harm than good

3489
02:10:13,750 --> 02:10:11,199
especially when you're dealing with

3490
02:10:16,950 --> 02:10:13,760
people in living situations where

3491
02:10:19,990 --> 02:10:16,960
families individuals are having problems

3492
02:10:21,830 --> 02:10:20,000
having encounters having experiences

3493
02:10:23,830 --> 02:10:21,840
and then have the weekend local weekend

3494
02:10:25,109 --> 02:10:23,840
warriors come in anyway i want john

3495
02:10:26,709 --> 02:10:25,119
wants your thoughts on the ghost hunting

3496
02:10:28,550 --> 02:10:26,719
community when we come back

3497
02:10:39,589 --> 02:10:28,560
paulino's here with gene and chris

3498
02:10:47,270 --> 02:10:43,109
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hey this is marie d jones the author of

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this book is from the future

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and you are listening to the paracast

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okay you see the way the word powercast

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breaks up we had somebody on youtube i

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think in response to this says you say

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that 900 times on an episode

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that's in earth 417. paulino a response

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02:15:32,550 --> 02:15:30,719
to krish's comments about the ghost

3613
02:15:34,550 --> 02:15:32,560
hunting cliches

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02:15:37,510 --> 02:15:34,560
well i'm afraid it's the phenomenon

3615
02:15:39,750 --> 02:15:37,520
isn't going anywhere um what was it oh

3616
02:15:43,189 --> 02:15:39,760
six i believe i was in clearwater

3617
02:15:44,629 --> 02:15:43,199
florida at that big wooden hotel

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02:15:47,189 --> 02:15:44,639
i was speaking against my better

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judgment at a conference for beginning

3620
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ghost hunters okay

3621
02:15:54,069 --> 02:15:52,320
ghost hunters getting ghost hunters is

3622
02:15:55,589 --> 02:15:54,079
that like trump university you pay

3623
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thirty thousand dollars and become a

3624
02:15:59,430 --> 02:15:57,440
ghost hunter well nobody paid me

3625
02:16:01,669 --> 02:15:59,440
anything like that but bump university

3626
02:16:04,629 --> 02:16:01,679
bumping the night yeah there were like

3627
02:16:06,149 --> 02:16:04,639
200 people there and uh somebody said

3628
02:16:08,629 --> 02:16:06,159
okay well mr you know if you had one

3629
02:16:10,629 --> 02:16:08,639
thing to say for advice on this what

3630
02:16:13,189 --> 02:16:10,639
would it be i'd say don't

3631
02:16:15,430 --> 02:16:13,199
you have no idea what you're doing what

3632
02:16:17,430 --> 02:16:15,440
you're touching and what can happen the

3633
02:16:19,430 --> 02:16:17,440
whole ghost hunting hobbyist thing

3634
02:16:21,350 --> 02:16:19,440
you're treating as if it's bird watching

3635
02:16:23,350 --> 02:16:21,360
or butterfly collecting is

3636
02:16:25,990 --> 02:16:23,360
extraordinarily dangerous

3637
02:16:28,950 --> 02:16:26,000
uh psychologically certainly spiritually

3638
02:16:30,629 --> 02:16:28,960
even physically i really cringe when as

3639
02:16:33,509 --> 02:16:30,639
as you mentioned to you they're a living

3640
02:16:35,750 --> 02:16:33,519
situation and they undertake to counsel

3641
02:16:37,270 --> 02:16:35,760
the people who live in the house all of

3642
02:16:38,629 --> 02:16:37,280
whom believe them because maybe they

3643
02:16:40,629 --> 02:16:38,639
were written up at the local paper and

3644
02:16:42,629 --> 02:16:40,639
it was in prayer it must be true

3645
02:16:44,230 --> 02:16:42,639
the whole thing is is very

3646
02:16:46,629 --> 02:16:44,240
very bad and i'm waiting for the

3647
02:16:48,709 --> 02:16:46,639
lawsuits and people very often will

3648
02:16:49,910 --> 02:16:48,719
contact us and say oh i was a ghost

3649
02:16:51,750 --> 02:16:49,920
hunting and i brought something home

3650
02:16:53,190 --> 02:16:51,760
with me and all this business because

3651
02:16:55,750 --> 02:16:53,200
it's not so much

3652
02:16:57,669 --> 02:16:55,760
this idea is well put by shane searway

3653
02:16:59,349 --> 02:16:57,679
the fellow i referred to uh earlier the

3654
02:17:01,910 --> 02:16:59,359
investigator we work with part of our

3655
02:17:04,230 --> 02:17:01,920
little group that we we consult with uh

3656
02:17:05,750 --> 02:17:04,240
shane says that it's not places that are

3657
02:17:07,509 --> 02:17:05,760
haunted it's people

3658
02:17:08,870 --> 02:17:07,519
and i don't know if i go quite that far

3659
02:17:10,870 --> 02:17:08,880
but i think that

3660
02:17:13,990 --> 02:17:10,880
people participate

3661
02:17:15,270 --> 02:17:14,000
in the paranormal experience things you

3662
02:17:17,509 --> 02:17:15,280
don't just sit there like a lump and

3663
02:17:19,349 --> 02:17:17,519
things happen to you you participate in

3664
02:17:20,709 --> 02:17:19,359
it uh therefore you have to participate

3665
02:17:22,549 --> 02:17:20,719
in and

3666
02:17:23,669 --> 02:17:22,559
remedying the situation should that be

3667
02:17:26,709 --> 02:17:23,679
necessary

3668
02:17:28,549 --> 02:17:26,719
so um taking is sort of a sledgehammer

3669
02:17:29,509 --> 02:17:28,559
technique like going into a place and

3670
02:17:31,910 --> 02:17:29,519
doing

3671
02:17:34,150 --> 02:17:31,920
seances and ouija boards and all this it

3672
02:17:36,950 --> 02:17:34,160
is it just has catastrophe written all

3673
02:17:38,950 --> 02:17:36,960
over it and it is not a good idea

3674
02:17:41,509 --> 02:17:38,960
these people get their expertise quote

3675
02:17:43,669 --> 02:17:41,519
unquote from quote uh having grown up in

3676
02:17:45,750 --> 02:17:43,679
a haunted house okay

3677
02:17:48,150 --> 02:17:45,760
many a bio of one of these ghost hunters

3678
02:17:49,589 --> 02:17:48,160
starts like that or they've read a bunch

3679
02:17:51,349 --> 02:17:49,599
of books by other people that don't know

3680
02:17:53,830 --> 02:17:51,359
what they're talking about and think

3681
02:17:56,150 --> 02:17:53,840
that they're experts from that so i just

3682
02:17:57,429 --> 02:17:56,160
think it's a bad scene uh there are

3683
02:17:59,910 --> 02:17:57,439
exceptions

3684
02:18:01,830 --> 02:17:59,920
uh there are people with sense out there

3685
02:18:03,910 --> 02:18:01,840
doing some of this uh although i still

3686
02:18:05,669 --> 02:18:03,920
don't encourage it and people say well

3687
02:18:06,709 --> 02:18:05,679
you do it why should i know i got

3688
02:18:08,790 --> 02:18:06,719
started

3689
02:18:11,349 --> 02:18:08,800
47 years ago when i was in the seminary

3690
02:18:13,270 --> 02:18:11,359
which may or may not be a valid reason

3691
02:18:14,150 --> 02:18:13,280
but i've already been doing it so i

3692
02:18:15,669 --> 02:18:14,160
don't know

3693
02:18:17,750 --> 02:18:15,679
and it has led us into other areas of

3694
02:18:19,190 --> 02:18:17,760
the paranormal but i think it's uh it's

3695
02:18:21,270 --> 02:18:19,200
a bad scene it's not going to go

3696
02:18:22,870 --> 02:18:21,280
anywhere and uh it's just going to keep

3697
02:18:23,910 --> 02:18:22,880
creating trouble for the people who do

3698
02:18:25,349 --> 02:18:23,920
it and the people who are on the

3699
02:18:28,150 --> 02:18:25,359
receiving end i just don't think it's a

3700
02:18:31,110 --> 02:18:28,160
good idea i think as long as

3701
02:18:33,110 --> 02:18:31,120
ghost hunting reality tv shows succeed

3702
02:18:35,110 --> 02:18:33,120
that's what you're going to have and the

3703
02:18:36,709 --> 02:18:35,120
same thing in the ufo field as long as

3704
02:18:39,349 --> 02:18:36,719
you have the same meme

3705
02:18:41,910 --> 02:18:39,359
that e.t is here let's prove it let's

3706
02:18:45,030 --> 02:18:41,920
have disclosure let's collect sightings

3707
02:18:46,709 --> 02:18:45,040
in the meantime to evangelize

3708
02:18:48,070 --> 02:18:46,719
our belief system

3709
02:18:50,309 --> 02:18:48,080
i think you're right but i'll tell you

3710
02:18:52,709 --> 02:18:50,319
fellas i think that there is a change in

3711
02:18:54,950 --> 02:18:52,719
the wind our book behind the paranormal

3712
02:18:57,429 --> 02:18:54,960
came out in november and the publisher

3713
02:18:59,990 --> 02:18:57,439
schiffer is telling us that it's selling

3714
02:19:02,070 --> 02:19:00,000
well but the standard ghost books are

3715
02:19:04,070 --> 02:19:02,080
not selling the way they used to and

3716
02:19:05,750 --> 02:19:04,080
we're hearing from producers

3717
02:19:08,150 --> 02:19:05,760
that people are beginning there's a

3718
02:19:10,790 --> 02:19:08,160
whole untapped audience of intelligent

3719
02:19:13,349 --> 02:19:10,800
people who are turned off by

3720
02:19:15,509 --> 02:19:13,359
the old-time ghost paradigm you know

3721
02:19:17,830 --> 02:19:15,519
screaming running out of houses and

3722
02:19:19,990 --> 02:19:17,840
and uh trying to talk to the to them and

3723
02:19:22,549 --> 02:19:20,000
know if you know knock once for yes

3724
02:19:24,870 --> 02:19:22,559
twice for no and well you mean the fans

3725
02:19:26,950 --> 02:19:24,880
of your show in our show yeah yeah the

3726
02:19:28,309 --> 02:19:26,960
people yeah exactly i didn't want to say

3727
02:19:31,429 --> 02:19:28,319
that but it's true

3728
02:19:33,349 --> 02:19:31,439
so i think that there may be a a change

3729
02:19:36,549 --> 02:19:33,359
coming in the form in which this is

3730
02:19:38,230 --> 02:19:36,559
presented to live audiences or otherwise

3731
02:19:39,509 --> 02:19:38,240
and whether it will be for the better i

3732
02:19:41,589 --> 02:19:39,519
don't know but there does seem to be

3733
02:19:43,830 --> 02:19:41,599
more of an interest in more depth

3734
02:19:45,349 --> 02:19:43,840
authenticity and intelligence

3735
02:19:47,990 --> 02:19:45,359
well as long as you can show the

3736
02:19:50,070 --> 02:19:48,000
networks there's profit in it that's the

3737
02:19:51,910 --> 02:19:50,080
thing that's exactly the thing i could

3738
02:19:54,790 --> 02:19:51,920
tell you a story which is really not for

3739
02:19:57,270 --> 02:19:54,800
public you know about the last time we

3740
02:19:58,710 --> 02:19:57,280
did a pilot and uh it what happened

3741
02:19:59,590 --> 02:19:58,720
there are also funny things that happen

3742
02:20:01,590 --> 02:19:59,600
from

3743
02:20:03,429 --> 02:20:01,600
i don't know uh other sources but we'll

3744
02:20:05,349 --> 02:20:03,439
talk about that some other time i wanted

3745
02:20:06,630 --> 02:20:05,359
to ask you one question because i see it

3746
02:20:08,070 --> 02:20:06,640
in your bio

3747
02:20:11,110 --> 02:20:08,080
and that is

3748
02:20:12,870 --> 02:20:11,120
you went to two seminaries you graduated

3749
02:20:15,590 --> 02:20:12,880
you went to a third

3750
02:20:18,710 --> 02:20:15,600
but because of your paranormal work

3751
02:20:20,870 --> 02:20:18,720
they gave you your walking papers

3752
02:20:22,389 --> 02:20:20,880
what happened you might say that yeah

3753
02:20:24,070 --> 02:20:22,399
well somebody asked the other day how

3754
02:20:25,190 --> 02:20:24,080
come you know you graduated one seminar

3755
02:20:27,590 --> 02:20:25,200
how could you word a day well that's not

3756
02:20:29,510 --> 02:20:27,600
how it works i went in at the age of 14

3757
02:20:31,990 --> 02:20:29,520
when you could still do that fortunately

3758
02:20:33,910 --> 02:20:32,000
now you can't so it was essentially high

3759
02:20:35,990 --> 02:20:33,920
school and junior college the first

3760
02:20:38,309 --> 02:20:36,000
seminary and i got an associate's degree

3761
02:20:40,230 --> 02:20:38,319
from that and then you did the final two

3762
02:20:42,070 --> 02:20:40,240
years of college which there was part of

3763
02:20:43,349 --> 02:20:42,080
the major seminar you majored in

3764
02:20:45,110 --> 02:20:43,359
philosophy you had to major in

3765
02:20:47,110 --> 02:20:45,120
philosophy and that was i graduated from

3766
02:20:48,550 --> 02:20:47,120
that and then i left the roman catholic

3767
02:20:50,950 --> 02:20:48,560
church to join the eastern orthodox

3768
02:20:52,309 --> 02:20:50,960
church and i happened to be at just the

3769
02:20:53,830 --> 02:20:52,319
right level to start the graduate

3770
02:20:56,230 --> 02:20:53,840
theological work i would have started

3771
02:20:57,830 --> 02:20:56,240
anyway so i went to their seminary they

3772
02:20:59,910 --> 02:20:57,840
didn't like the paranormal work they

3773
02:21:01,510 --> 02:20:59,920
didn't like the warrants at that point

3774
02:21:03,510 --> 02:21:01,520
either and i should have had my nose in

3775
02:21:06,309 --> 02:21:03,520
my books uh studying the fathers of the

3776
02:21:09,590 --> 02:21:06,319
church and other stuff in theology and

3777
02:21:11,349 --> 02:21:09,600
uh out i went in 1977 about a year and a

3778
02:21:13,270 --> 02:21:11,359
half before ordination so

3779
02:21:14,309 --> 02:21:13,280
i was thrown out at the graduate level

3780
02:21:15,830 --> 02:21:14,319
so

3781
02:21:17,670 --> 02:21:15,840
and the only other thing i knew how to

3782
02:21:19,590 --> 02:21:17,680
do was write so i shoehorned my way into

3783
02:21:22,309 --> 02:21:19,600
journalism by dumb luck

3784
02:21:24,790 --> 02:21:22,319
and that's uh that's what happened so

3785
02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:24,800
that was a story with that

3786
02:21:27,750 --> 02:21:26,560
i was waiting for chris

3787
02:21:29,590 --> 02:21:27,760
okay

3788
02:21:31,110 --> 02:21:29,600
you asked the question they don't want

3789
02:21:33,429 --> 02:21:31,120
that and you answered it they never

3790
02:21:36,309 --> 02:21:33,439
would have allowed me to even apply to

3791
02:21:37,349 --> 02:21:36,319
uh any sort of seminary or

3792
02:21:39,270 --> 02:21:37,359
um

3793
02:21:42,150 --> 02:21:39,280
kind of religious education school i i

3794
02:21:45,270 --> 02:21:42,160
was already persona non grata

3795
02:21:46,710 --> 02:21:45,280
oh really that's tell me sometime

3796
02:21:48,389 --> 02:21:46,720
well when you're in ninth grade and

3797
02:21:49,349 --> 02:21:48,399
you're in the jesuit prep school and

3798
02:21:52,790 --> 02:21:49,359
you're

3799
02:21:54,950 --> 02:21:52,800
the council the first and second

3800
02:21:56,469 --> 02:21:54,960
councils of nicaea and how dare we call

3801
02:21:58,950 --> 02:21:56,479
this guy who was a carpenter named

3802
02:22:00,870 --> 02:21:58,960
emmanuel jesus the son of god

3803
02:22:02,710 --> 02:22:00,880
they didn't take kindly to that no i

3804
02:22:04,950 --> 02:22:02,720
wish i shouldn't think so well i would

3805
02:22:05,750 --> 02:22:04,960
ask difficult questions too like i bring

3806
02:22:07,590 --> 02:22:05,760
up

3807
02:22:08,630 --> 02:22:07,600
you know jesus is in the tomb three days

3808
02:22:09,990 --> 02:22:08,640
and after because that's what the

3809
02:22:10,870 --> 02:22:10,000
prophecies said

3810
02:22:12,950 --> 02:22:10,880
well

3811
02:22:14,790 --> 02:22:12,960
friday afternoon to sunday morning is

3812
02:22:17,030 --> 02:22:14,800
not three days it's like a day and a

3813
02:22:18,230 --> 02:22:17,040
half right so they must have died in a

3814
02:22:19,910 --> 02:22:18,240
wednesday not that it makes any

3815
02:22:23,190 --> 02:22:19,920
difference but things like that that

3816
02:22:25,349 --> 02:22:23,200
would annoy them uh you know i i would

3817
02:22:26,710 --> 02:22:25,359
ask i also would have the uh the issue

3818
02:22:28,150 --> 02:22:26,720
and this wasn't so much a problem with

3819
02:22:29,830 --> 02:22:28,160
the orthodox who i think are a lot more

3820
02:22:31,670 --> 02:22:29,840
open-minded uh although more

3821
02:22:33,910 --> 02:22:31,680
historically based but in the in the

3822
02:22:36,469 --> 02:22:33,920
roman seminary i'd say well all right

3823
02:22:37,910 --> 02:22:36,479
jesus if he was fully god and fully man

3824
02:22:40,790 --> 02:22:37,920
as the theology

3825
02:22:42,309 --> 02:22:40,800
goes uh why wouldn't he have reproduced

3826
02:22:44,309 --> 02:22:42,319
now unless there was something physical

3827
02:22:45,830 --> 02:22:44,319
some physical problem that you know

3828
02:22:47,910 --> 02:22:45,840
normal human being has the desire to

3829
02:22:49,830 --> 02:22:47,920
reproduce and usually does

3830
02:22:51,190 --> 02:22:49,840
and they don't like that because there's

3831
02:22:53,990 --> 02:22:51,200
you know there's a fixation on the

3832
02:22:56,630 --> 02:22:54,000
cervix in the western church um so how

3833
02:22:58,630 --> 02:22:56,640
do we know jesus wasn't gay

3834
02:23:04,070 --> 02:22:58,640
well that that's true too

3835
02:23:07,429 --> 02:23:05,030
on

3836
02:23:10,469 --> 02:23:07,439
well no actually there were there were

3837
02:23:12,630 --> 02:23:10,479
women in the company uh in their their

3838
02:23:14,150 --> 02:23:12,640
group uh the orthodox have a very

3839
02:23:16,230 --> 02:23:14,160
interest and i think they're more

3840
02:23:18,550 --> 02:23:16,240
historically rooted a very interesting

3841
02:23:20,309 --> 02:23:18,560
way to refer to mary magdalene

3842
02:23:21,990 --> 02:23:20,319
who was not a prostitute there's nowhere

3843
02:23:24,469 --> 02:23:22,000
in the gospel where that says she was a

3844
02:23:26,870 --> 02:23:24,479
prostitute but the orthodox referred her

3845
02:23:28,389 --> 02:23:26,880
as equal to the apostles

3846
02:23:30,230 --> 02:23:28,399
which is a pretty that's pretty high

3847
02:23:32,790 --> 02:23:30,240
praise for uh the

3848
02:23:35,030 --> 02:23:32,800
sort of patriarchal era that that came

3849
02:23:36,389 --> 02:23:35,040
out of so she's an interesting figure

3850
02:23:38,870 --> 02:23:36,399
and i think the whole

3851
02:23:39,990 --> 02:23:38,880
idea of you know the the the bloodline

3852
02:23:41,910 --> 02:23:40,000
and the whole

3853
02:23:44,710 --> 02:23:41,920
thing you know that what's his name in

3854
02:23:46,870 --> 02:23:44,720
his books dan brown personifies in some

3855
02:23:48,469 --> 02:23:46,880
of his movies uh i think that there's

3856
02:23:50,790 --> 02:23:48,479
there's probably something to that there

3857
02:23:53,349 --> 02:23:50,800
are very very old traditions

3858
02:23:54,790 --> 02:23:53,359
of um this mysterious family coming from

3859
02:23:55,910 --> 02:23:54,800
the middle east settling in france and

3860
02:23:57,349 --> 02:23:55,920
this and then there are a number of

3861
02:23:58,630 --> 02:23:57,359
different sources out of it yeah he

3862
02:24:00,309 --> 02:23:58,640
might have been gay but you know if he

3863
02:24:02,309 --> 02:24:00,319
wasn't then he probably had a family

3864
02:24:04,469 --> 02:24:02,319
like most other people who would who

3865
02:24:07,270 --> 02:24:04,479
weren't necessarily gay or whatever and

3866
02:24:09,429 --> 02:24:07,280
uh you know life always comes through

3867
02:24:10,870 --> 02:24:09,439
one way or the other but yeah these are

3868
02:24:13,030 --> 02:24:10,880
all things that got me in trouble in the

3869
02:24:14,790 --> 02:24:13,040
seminary among other things well i'm

3870
02:24:18,070 --> 02:24:14,800
sorry that you had to go through that i

3871
02:24:20,550 --> 02:24:18,080
made sure that um i was

3872
02:24:23,510 --> 02:24:20,560
i was placed on the uh the do not uh

3873
02:24:24,950 --> 02:24:23,520
engage list uh very early on

3874
02:24:28,389 --> 02:24:24,960
we're gonna find out more about that and

3875
02:24:37,990 --> 02:24:28,399
more with gene and with chris and paul

3876
02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:42,710
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3981
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3982
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i'm going to just score that every time

3983
02:29:19,110 --> 02:29:17,359
someone does the power cast

3984
02:29:21,030 --> 02:29:19,120
you know it's 900 times an episode

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remember that that goes along with the

3986
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oh but of course

3988
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so

3989
02:29:30,389 --> 02:29:28,880
you know when i add all that up together

3990
02:29:33,510 --> 02:29:30,399
there's no time for me and chris it's

3991
02:29:35,510 --> 02:29:33,520
like hello goodbye next week

3992
02:29:37,910 --> 02:29:35,520
well we should get scribner to uh to to

3993
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get an ad on the pair cast for uh paul

3994
02:29:41,750 --> 02:29:39,200
and ben's book

3995
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she should that's good

3996
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yeah right good luck with that one right

3997
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well getting a publisher to put

3998
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advertising money into a book

3999
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is difficult yeah and there's not a big

4000
02:29:54,630 --> 02:29:52,720
budget there's stuff like this you know

4001
02:29:56,309 --> 02:29:54,640
you appear on shows and we have our own

4002
02:29:57,990 --> 02:29:56,319
show that they were jumping up and down

4003
02:30:00,230 --> 02:29:58,000
about that because we can promote it

4004
02:30:01,670 --> 02:30:00,240
every week i have a couple of questions

4005
02:30:03,910 --> 02:30:01,680
paul that we still haven't asked from

4006
02:30:05,590 --> 02:30:03,920
our listeners and this is a this is a

4007
02:30:07,510 --> 02:30:05,600
good one this comes from thomas r

4008
02:30:09,510 --> 02:30:07,520
morrison who i guess we're trying to get

4009
02:30:12,150 --> 02:30:09,520
as a guest on the show here in the next

4010
02:30:15,030 --> 02:30:12,160
few weeks and he says i remember hearing

4011
02:30:17,429 --> 02:30:15,040
dr barry taft talk about a sharp drop in

4012
02:30:18,950 --> 02:30:17,439
background radiation readings using a

4013
02:30:20,150 --> 02:30:18,960
geiger counter during paranormal

4014
02:30:22,309 --> 02:30:20,160
activity

4015
02:30:23,750 --> 02:30:22,319
i've never heard that i have actually he

4016
02:30:25,510 --> 02:30:23,760
said that on our show

4017
02:30:27,110 --> 02:30:25,520
yeah it's always fascinated me i mean

4018
02:30:29,190 --> 02:30:27,120
what kind of instrumentation have you

4019
02:30:31,670 --> 02:30:29,200
experimented with and have you noted any

4020
02:30:34,070 --> 02:30:31,680
strange readings along those lines or

4021
02:30:35,990 --> 02:30:34,080
any other types of gear well we don't

4022
02:30:37,270 --> 02:30:36,000
use a lot of gear of course when i

4023
02:30:38,870 --> 02:30:37,280
started it was all very seat of the

4024
02:30:41,429 --> 02:30:38,880
pants the most technical equipment we

4025
02:30:43,429 --> 02:30:41,439
had was a cassette tape recorder

4026
02:30:45,429 --> 02:30:43,439
and uh maybe a compass things of this

4027
02:30:48,070 --> 02:30:45,439
kind of two-way radios but

4028
02:30:49,510 --> 02:30:48,080
actually an engineer a municipal

4029
02:30:51,030 --> 02:30:49,520
engineer i knew

4030
02:30:52,550 --> 02:30:51,040
back in the old days when i was editor

4031
02:30:55,110 --> 02:30:52,560
of the poor little weekly paper in

4032
02:30:56,870 --> 02:30:55,120
smithfield rhode island i was i told her

4033
02:31:00,070 --> 02:30:56,880
i was doing this kind of work

4034
02:31:02,389 --> 02:31:00,080
and she said well try an emf meter

4035
02:31:05,110 --> 02:31:02,399
electromagnetic field meter because from

4036
02:31:07,510 --> 02:31:05,120
what you say the magnetism and uh even

4037
02:31:09,830 --> 02:31:07,520
the earth's magnetic field and various

4038
02:31:12,950 --> 02:31:09,840
electrical fields and uh

4039
02:31:15,349 --> 02:31:12,960
this sort of thing might be relevant so

4040
02:31:17,349 --> 02:31:15,359
i've been thinking about that and so i i

4041
02:31:19,670 --> 02:31:17,359
used uh the old kind with just it was

4042
02:31:20,630 --> 02:31:19,680
non-digital just just had a a needle

4043
02:31:22,309 --> 02:31:20,640
right

4044
02:31:24,389 --> 02:31:22,319
and i was in a house in uxbridge

4045
02:31:26,790 --> 02:31:24,399
massachusetts and something was coming

4046
02:31:28,950 --> 02:31:26,800
down that hallway toward me that needle

4047
02:31:32,070 --> 02:31:28,960
dropped to zero as if i turned the thing

4048
02:31:33,830 --> 02:31:32,080
off and later on i think i found out why

4049
02:31:36,309 --> 02:31:33,840
when they got digital

4050
02:31:38,230 --> 02:31:36,319
these things i found that uh when the

4051
02:31:41,830 --> 02:31:38,240
polarity of the on the on the electrical

4052
02:31:44,070 --> 02:31:41,840
field is reversed which is very weird i

4053
02:31:46,790 --> 02:31:44,080
suspect that there may be in an exchange

4054
02:31:49,110 --> 02:31:46,800
of energy between parallel worlds maybe

4055
02:31:50,790 --> 02:31:49,120
with different kinds of polarities

4056
02:31:53,349 --> 02:31:50,800
different kinds of physics to some

4057
02:31:55,190 --> 02:31:53,359
degree because uh when that would happen

4058
02:31:57,590 --> 02:31:55,200
again and they had the digital meter it

4059
02:32:00,230 --> 02:31:57,600
would go into the negative range i think

4060
02:32:02,550 --> 02:32:00,240
in my entire career i've led one

4061
02:32:04,630 --> 02:32:02,560
quote-unquote ghost walk and that was an

4062
02:32:06,309 --> 02:32:04,640
o3 in west virginia at their paranormal

4063
02:32:08,389 --> 02:32:06,319
conference and i and they kind of threw

4064
02:32:10,070 --> 02:32:08,399
it at me last minute and i had

4065
02:32:11,670 --> 02:32:10,080
one of those digital meters and it went

4066
02:32:13,590 --> 02:32:11,680
into the negative range and there was

4067
02:32:15,910 --> 02:32:13,600
some stuff around us that was going on

4068
02:32:18,309 --> 02:32:15,920
other than that we really don't use you

4069
02:32:20,870 --> 02:32:18,319
know ion detectors or

4070
02:32:22,790 --> 02:32:20,880
the compass sometimes we will use that

4071
02:32:25,429 --> 02:32:22,800
but a lot of it is just i like to think

4072
02:32:28,469 --> 02:32:25,439
experience and knowing what to look for

4073
02:32:29,990 --> 02:32:28,479
and uh when that polarity is reversed i

4074
02:32:31,670 --> 02:32:30,000
think that that that's an interesting

4075
02:32:35,750 --> 02:32:31,680
thing but as far as

4076
02:32:38,309 --> 02:32:35,760
you know evps yeah i suppose uh ben has

4077
02:32:40,469 --> 02:32:38,319
a degree in sound and audio engineering

4078
02:32:42,469 --> 02:32:40,479
and sound design so he knows all about

4079
02:32:44,950 --> 02:32:42,479
white noise in this business

4080
02:32:47,670 --> 02:32:44,960
a lot of the evps i hear

4081
02:32:48,630 --> 02:32:47,680
i question whether they are why they are

4082
02:32:51,429 --> 02:32:48,640
only

4083
02:32:53,910 --> 02:32:51,439
two or three words long maybe why they

4084
02:32:55,830 --> 02:32:53,920
are very very hard to make out uh very

4085
02:32:57,270 --> 02:32:55,840
often and they also question things like

4086
02:32:59,910 --> 02:32:57,280
people come back from gettysburg

4087
02:33:01,590 --> 02:32:59,920
apparently evp central with a somebody

4088
02:33:03,670 --> 02:33:01,600
who claims to be a confederate soldier

4089
02:33:05,190 --> 02:33:03,680
but is speaking in 21st century terms

4090
02:33:06,870 --> 02:33:05,200
and you know i mean

4091
02:33:09,990 --> 02:33:06,880
there are a lot of questions about that

4092
02:33:11,990 --> 02:33:10,000
uh photography too there's no real way

4093
02:33:15,590 --> 02:33:12,000
to use an instrument even if it's a

4094
02:33:17,270 --> 02:33:15,600
camera to say this is a ghost or this is

4095
02:33:19,349 --> 02:33:17,280
something all you can say

4096
02:33:21,190 --> 02:33:19,359
is this is an anomaly

4097
02:33:23,110 --> 02:33:21,200
or this is an extra and i learned

4098
02:33:25,510 --> 02:33:23,120
photography in the military and you guys

4099
02:33:26,550 --> 02:33:25,520
expense or maybe your parents expense

4100
02:33:28,230 --> 02:33:26,560
you know there are all sorts of things

4101
02:33:29,990 --> 02:33:28,240
that can explain many of the things that

4102
02:33:31,750 --> 02:33:30,000
appear in pictures once in a while you

4103
02:33:34,550 --> 02:33:31,760
get a real gem well you know you really

4104
02:33:37,030 --> 02:33:34,560
can't but these things can be tools but

4105
02:33:39,110 --> 02:33:37,040
they're not to be relied upon entirely

4106
02:33:41,830 --> 02:33:39,120
because we are in a society that's

4107
02:33:43,670 --> 02:33:41,840
drunk with technology and uh we can't we

4108
02:33:46,070 --> 02:33:43,680
can't take it at face value well some

4109
02:33:48,469 --> 02:33:46,080
things i've found in my limited

4110
02:33:50,150 --> 02:33:48,479
experience a number of years running

4111
02:33:52,150 --> 02:33:50,160
around the country looking into goat

4112
02:33:53,590 --> 02:33:52,160
sites and being the cameraman and the

4113
02:33:54,950 --> 02:33:53,600
sound guy and everything

4114
02:33:57,190 --> 02:33:54,960
i think temperature

4115
02:34:01,429 --> 02:33:57,200
point and shoot laser temperature

4116
02:34:03,429 --> 02:34:01,439
measuring devices are can be helpful

4117
02:34:06,070 --> 02:34:03,439
i also think that um that tri-field

4118
02:34:08,070 --> 02:34:06,080
meters can alert you at least be like

4119
02:34:09,590 --> 02:34:08,080
almost like an alarm bell hey uh there's

4120
02:34:12,230 --> 02:34:09,600
something happen here

4121
02:34:13,990 --> 02:34:12,240
uh in the the energetic spectrum

4122
02:34:15,349 --> 02:34:14,000
pay attention i don't see it as an

4123
02:34:17,429 --> 02:34:15,359
end-all to be all it's almost like an

4124
02:34:19,030 --> 02:34:17,439
early warning device to me yeah well

4125
02:34:19,750 --> 02:34:19,040
what do you do for a baseline though i

4126
02:34:21,750 --> 02:34:19,760
mean

4127
02:34:23,429 --> 02:34:21,760
the emf made it can be affected by a

4128
02:34:26,469 --> 02:34:23,439
radar rate in the airport eight or ten

4129
02:34:28,630 --> 02:34:26,479
miles away true true so

4130
02:34:30,630 --> 02:34:28,640
i agree that it can be helpful but it's

4131
02:34:32,070 --> 02:34:30,640
also problematic so i take it with a

4132
02:34:34,070 --> 02:34:32,080
pillar i wouldn't rely on them i

4133
02:34:37,110 --> 02:34:34,080
wouldn't i wouldn't let them

4134
02:34:38,630 --> 02:34:37,120
in any way uh influence any sort of

4135
02:34:41,030 --> 02:34:38,640
experience before it's going to happen

4136
02:34:43,110 --> 02:34:41,040
or during the experience or after

4137
02:34:45,750 --> 02:34:43,120
when you're now you know analyzing what

4138
02:34:48,710 --> 02:34:45,760
you've supposedly gone through

4139
02:34:50,230 --> 02:34:48,720
again i have been involved in some evp

4140
02:34:52,710 --> 02:34:50,240
sessions that have been uh very

4141
02:34:53,990 --> 02:34:52,720
productive very fruitful um have had up

4142
02:34:55,990 --> 02:34:54,000
to eight ten

4143
02:34:57,910 --> 02:34:56,000
uh even a dozen words

4144
02:35:01,510 --> 02:34:57,920
that can't be equated to any sort of you

4145
02:35:03,110 --> 02:35:01,520
know bam fm radio signals or

4146
02:35:05,190 --> 02:35:03,120
some sort of crosstalk

4147
02:35:06,630 --> 02:35:05,200
on cb or something like that because the

4148
02:35:08,710 --> 02:35:06,640
languaging and

4149
02:35:11,349 --> 02:35:08,720
what was conveyed did not conform to to

4150
02:35:13,590 --> 02:35:11,359
those scenarios yeah there's still room

4151
02:35:15,190 --> 02:35:13,600
i think for some sort of uh real quality

4152
02:35:18,230 --> 02:35:15,200
professional work in those areas but

4153
02:35:19,670 --> 02:35:18,240
again i think uh i i agree with you um

4154
02:35:22,630 --> 02:35:19,680
the human

4155
02:35:23,750 --> 02:35:22,640
instrument is quite sensitive and uh

4156
02:35:26,070 --> 02:35:23,760
especially if you develop these

4157
02:35:28,469 --> 02:35:26,080
sensitivities i think

4158
02:35:31,030 --> 02:35:28,479
they work just as well of course it's

4159
02:35:33,349 --> 02:35:31,040
all anecdotal later on but uh you know i

4160
02:35:35,349 --> 02:35:33,359
think it's uh it's important to keep to

4161
02:35:37,670 --> 02:35:35,359
have the gear but not to be over overly

4162
02:35:40,389 --> 02:35:37,680
reliant on it well that's the thing and

4163
02:35:43,030 --> 02:35:40,399
again again what what are we trying to

4164
02:35:44,230 --> 02:35:43,040
prove um i don't think this gets back to

4165
02:35:45,830 --> 02:35:44,240
an earlier question i don't think we're

4166
02:35:47,990 --> 02:35:45,840
ever going to prove

4167
02:35:49,670 --> 02:35:48,000
anything to mainstream science because

4168
02:35:51,510 --> 02:35:49,680
they don't respect us

4169
02:35:54,230 --> 02:35:51,520
uh they have different standards and

4170
02:35:56,630 --> 02:35:54,240
again i i respect their discipline of

4171
02:35:57,670 --> 02:35:56,640
thinking and the whole idea of how they

4172
02:35:59,190 --> 02:35:57,680
they

4173
02:36:01,510 --> 02:35:59,200
do things and

4174
02:36:02,950 --> 02:36:01,520
nobody in this field uh seems to work

4175
02:36:05,349 --> 02:36:02,960
together at least not very well then

4176
02:36:06,790 --> 02:36:05,359
there are exceptions to that of course

4177
02:36:09,429 --> 02:36:06,800
they just are not going to take this

4178
02:36:11,110 --> 02:36:09,439
seriously and if there is any scientific

4179
02:36:13,190 --> 02:36:11,120
progress in this field it won't be from

4180
02:36:15,270 --> 02:36:13,200
ghost hunters is there to be any

4181
02:36:17,670 --> 02:36:15,280
progress in our lifetime this is a

4182
02:36:20,150 --> 02:36:17,680
question to ask with a minute or two

4183
02:36:22,070 --> 02:36:20,160
left to go with the episode well we

4184
02:36:25,110 --> 02:36:22,080
never know i think that the best thing

4185
02:36:27,990 --> 02:36:25,120
we can do is to do the best we can to be

4186
02:36:30,469 --> 02:36:28,000
open-minded to be humble honesty comes

4187
02:36:33,349 --> 02:36:30,479
from humility i think and we can realize

4188
02:36:35,510 --> 02:36:33,359
maybe that everything we know so far may

4189
02:36:37,510 --> 02:36:35,520
be wrong but we can always learn more

4190
02:36:38,870 --> 02:36:37,520
paul you know tell our listeners please

4191
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4192
02:36:43,469 --> 02:36:40,960
things that you do where do they go well

4193
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4199
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4200
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4201
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4202
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4203
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4204
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4205
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4206
02:37:11,750 --> 02:37:10,000
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4207
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4208
02:37:15,670 --> 02:37:13,359
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4209
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4210
02:37:20,230 --> 02:37:18,240
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4211
02:37:21,910 --> 02:37:20,240
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4212
02:37:23,670 --> 02:37:21,920
miles away like mine

4213
02:37:25,190 --> 02:37:23,680
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4214
02:37:26,950 --> 02:37:25,200
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4215
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